Geronimo.

[steveR]

At a talk about Tb in cattle, they showed trapped badgers being vaccinated. All the team were wearing facemasks, I queried this and was told it was standard veterinary practice (of course the Tb status of the badger in the cage was unknown). Someone in the audience asked as there was a high population of badgers in our area, was it safe to take her dog for a walk in the woods ? The reply in this Defra funded talk, was "yes, madam, it's called bovine Tb so only cattle can catch it".

FFS.

Were you able/allowed to put that error right??

 

[Ffermer Bach]

The problem though, is that it is highly unlikely , when a child or adult catches TB, that anyone will have the faintest idea where it was caught.
It is sometimes several years and certainly many months, after initial infection, that the disease will manifest itself.
TB luckily is not easy to catch, unless you live in close quarters to victims, or drink raw milk from infected animals.

I note a Gloucestershire farm is selling “raw” camels milk. At £20 pounds a litre though I doubt many will be drinking that much.
The camels milk sold in most supermarkets comes from Dubai from a 6,000 camel herd owned by Sheik Maktoum. This is sold as being “raw” but is in fact pasteuried. Most professionals in zoonoses are more more concerned about Mers than TB . Mers , for those not up with their diseases , is a covid disease which kills over 50% of sufferers and is caught from camels. It does not appear transmissible among humans though

My last TB cow that went off, they genotyped the TB that it had, and from that can tell where it was most likely to come from (cow was bought in England, pre movement tested, then went down during herd test here in Wales), vet said from the genotype of TB, it most probably had it when it came. Anyway, what I am getting at, is they genotype the bacteria to ascertain what geographical area it is from, if they are doing that with cattle, they must be doing that with people surely?

 

[Cowabunga]

My last TB cow that went off, they genotyped the TB that it had, and from that can tell where it was most likely to come from (cow was bought in England, pre movement tested, then went down during herd test here in Wales), vet said from the genotype of TB, it most probably had it when it came. Anyway, what I am getting at, is they genotype the bacteria to ascertain what geographical area it is from, if they are doing that with cattle, they must be doing that with people surely?

You would think so, because there is a serious and growing problem of multi-drug resistant TB spreading in humans. This is particularly prevalent in London.
The issue of human TB is taken quite seriously and here is one recent cluster in Wales.

Llwynhendy TB outbreak: More than 1,400 tested after death

A mass screening programme was launched after Margaret Pegler died from tuberculosis.

www.bbc.co.uk

One person dead in tuberculosis outbreak in Welsh village

A further 80 people may have come in contact with the disease.

metro.co.uk

Respiratory tuberculosis (TB) statistics | British Lung Foundation

Find the most recent statistics for lung disease in the UK, including chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), asthma, lung cancer, tuberculosis and Rhiza.

statistics.blf.org.uk

 

[Exfarmer]

My last TB cow that went off, they genotyped the TB that it had, and from that can tell where it was most likely to come from (cow was bought in England, pre movement tested, then went down during herd test here in Wales), vet said from the genotype of TB, it most probably had it when it came. Anyway, what I am getting at, is they genotype the bacteria to ascertain what geographical area it is from, if they are doing that with cattle, they must be doing that with people surely?

Sorry , yes they can of course isolate if it came from different sources , but not how you came to catch it. Unless there is some very obvious link

 

[Hjcarter]

I fear, that if TB in people becomes more prevalent and spread by Badger contamination of sports fields, common areas etc, rather than controlling Badgers the response will be to keep people out of the countryside, stop children playing outside on grass etc.

As herdsman to two teenage boys I can tell you the chance of them going outside to play on the grass is the far side of nothing.

If it were transmissible via WiFi then that would be a completely different matter...!

 

[Suckndiesel]

My last TB cow that went off, they genotyped the TB that it had, and from that can tell where it was most likely to come from (cow was bought in England, pre movement tested, then went down during herd test here in Wales), vet said from the genotype of TB, it most probably had it when it came. Anyway, what I am getting at, is they genotype the bacteria to ascertain what geographical area it is from, if they are doing that with cattle, they must be doing that with people surely?

Got to see the TB genotype map for Ni last year, it was interesting that the tb strains seemed to stay to certain areas. Cattle moving all around the country, badgers not..

 

[Paddington]

FFS.

Were you able/allowed to put that error right??

Yes, but not publicly, think I was on the verge of being ejected because of all the questions I was asking.

 

[betweenthelines]

Yes, but not publicly, think I was on the verge of being ejected because of all the questions I was asking.

Button it Paddington.

Or you might be the first bear to be a Tb reactor!

You have been warned

 

[matthew]

Got to see the TB genotype map for Ni last year, it was interesting that the tb strains seemed to stay to certain areas. Cattle moving all around the country, badgers not..

Here’s GB map

Spoligotyping gets headlines.

Making headlines in the Daily Telegraph today is a study by Glasgow University on the different strains or 'spoligotypes' of m.bovis circ...

bovinetb.blogspot.com

 

[Vader]

 

[Old Boar]

When Defra or the Min vets cannot even put a halter on the right way.....

 

[glasshouse]

It was tb testing that stopped tb, not pasteurisation
You got gold top milk tops or something if you were accredited and a much higher price

 

[JP1]

When Defra or the Min vets cannot even put a halter on the right way.....

To be fair the film I've seen they were working under duress from the press and "supporters" knowing any mistake would be caught on film. They gently got a halter on after running round a small paddock. Personally I think they should be commended for doing their best in the circumstances

 

[Steevo]

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Pretty sure it's secondhand now, now brand new.

@Lofty1984 got there before you....post #291

 

[Sid]

Got to see the TB genotype map for Ni last year, it was interesting that the tb strains seemed to stay to certain areas. Cattle moving all around the country, badgers not..

From the horses mouth.
Ex RSPCA vet left and worked for APHA in the SW.
He left RSPCA because any rescued South west badgers were being released in the Eastern counties.
They genotype was showing up in cattle without any movements on these farms.

The higher powers that be within the RSPCA couldn't see an issue with this until he raised it with DEFRA/APHA

So badger DO move, but not by their own accord! (Ideally double bagged and having a long long sleep)

 

[Exfarmer]

From the horses mouth.
Ex RSPCA vet left and worked for APHA in the SW.
He left RSPCA because any rescued South west badgers were being released in the Eastern counties.
They genotype was showing up in cattle without any movements on these farms.

The higher powers that be within the RSPCA couldn't see an issue with this until he raised it with DEFRA/APHA

So badger DO move, but not by their own accord! (Ideally double bagged and having a long long sleep)

The so called perturbation from the Krebs trials was virtually certainly the work of a small number of activists enmeshed in the ministry teams. They actuallly boasted about this on TV at the time

 

[matthew]

It was tb testing that stopped tb, not pasteurisation
You got gold top milk tops or something if you were accredited and a much higher price

If the herd was TB tested, the milk could be sold as 'Accredited'. The bonus was 3p / gallon.
Pasteurisation came in at about the same time for dairies though, I thought.

From the horses mouth.
Ex RSPCA vet left and worked for APHA in the SW.
He left RSPCA because any rescued South west badgers were being released in the Eastern counties.
They genotype was showing up in cattle without any movements on these farms.

The higher powers that be within the RSPCA couldn't see an issue with this until he raised it with DEFRA/APHA

So badger DO move, but not by their own accord! (Ideally double bagged and having a long long sleep)

Badger 'rescue centres'.

T.O.W.I.E.

In our last posting we explored the bizarre - [link] and ridiculous release protocol for badger rescues, illustrating the post with a pic ...

bovinetb.blogspot.com

 

[Henarar]

From the horses mouth.
Ex RSPCA vet left and worked for APHA in the SW.
He left RSPCA because any rescued South west badgers were being released in the Eastern counties.
They genotype was showing up in cattle without any movements on these farms.

The higher powers that be within the RSPCA couldn't see an issue with this until he raised it with DEFRA/APHA

So badger DO move, but not by their own accord! (Ideally double bagged and having a long long sleep)

Even if they don't care about cattle they are infecting healthy badgers, stupid buggers

 

[Sid]

If the herd was TB tested, the milk could be sold as 'Accredited'. The bonus was 3p / gallon.
Pasteurisation came in at about the same time for dairies though, I thought.




Badger 'rescue centres'.

T.O.W.I.E.

In our last posting we explored the bizarre - [link] and ridiculous release protocol for badger rescues, illustrating the post with a pic ...

bovinetb.blogspot.com

Is that the same as TT attested herds?

West Hatch at Taunton

 

[Sid]

Even if they don't care about cattle they are infecting healthy badgers, stupid buggers

As long as the donations keep rolling in!