Graduated driving licences...

[Danllan]

Don't know about "all that" . There is the choice of 2 ways of getting your licence. It cut deaths among young drivers and that has to be a good thing.
A lot of countries have a minimum number of lessons to get your licence.
RAC say the average number of lessons taken to pass the test is 45 in the uk.

I'm astonished that people require 45 lessons to pass the test, I'd have thought half that would be sufficient for most - perhaps there are some who require many, many more and so push the average up.

I think that the idea of having a driver accompanied for a period is a fair idea; I also think that cars having trackers in is a significant advance for safety.

 

[caveman]

I'm astonished that people require 45 lessons to pass the test, I'd have thought half that would be sufficient for most - perhaps there are some who require many, many more and so push the average up.

I think that the idea of having a driver accompanied for a period is a fair idea; I also think that cars having trackers in is a significant advance for safety.

Maybe includes many lessons to pass the theory test also.

 

[Danllan]

Maybe includes many lessons to pass the theory test also.

I was under the impression that it is a self-study thing.

Something I think that definitely should be part of the driving test AND national curriculum everywhere is First Aid.

 

[ollie989898]

Anyone tried getting a driving licence lately?

Short story- it's a fudging nightmare and the cost is off the scale nuts.

I wouldn't want young people to have to shoulder more cost/grief to do it.

There should be a big emphasis on getting more young people through advanced driver courses (not cheap either) and big road safety campaigns aimed not at people speeding but at people adapting their driving to the conditions and paying attention on the roads. Some high-impact campaigns would resonate with drivers young and old and get people to take the job seriously.

 

[tractorsandcows]

Anyone tried getting a driving licence lately?

Short story- it's a fudging nightmare and the cost is off the scale nuts.

I wouldn't want young people to have to shoulder more cost/grief to do it.

There should be a big emphasis on getting more young people through advanced driver courses (not cheap either) and big road safety campaigns aimed not at people speeding but at people adapting their driving to the conditions and paying attention on the roads. Some high-impact campaigns would resonate with drivers young and old and get people to take the job seriously.

i agree with you but won't happen. No real money in it for the state even if people are paying for the courses. Not like a speed camera just inside a 30 zone

 

[le bon paysan]

Anyone tried getting a driving licence lately?

Short story- it's a fudging nightmare and the cost is off the scale nuts.

I wouldn't want young people to have to shoulder more cost/grief to do it.

There should be a big emphasis on getting more young people through advanced driver courses (not cheap either) and big road safety campaigns aimed not at people speeding but at people adapting their driving to the conditions and paying attention on the roads. Some high-impact campaigns would resonate with drivers young and old and get people to take the job seriously.

If you get to 18, live in a rural area, and haven't got a licence because you and your parents can't afford the lessons, the region pay here. The Wannabee driver pays €1 a lesson.
Obviously, it's means tested.

 

[ollie989898]

If you get to 18, live in a rural area, and haven't got a licence because you and your parents can't afford the lessons, the region pay here. The Wannabee driver pays €1 a lesson.
Obviously, it's means tested.

France is an inherently safer place to live and drive. I can tell you that without equivocation.

 

[le bon paysan]

France is an inherently safer place to live and drive. I can tell you that without equivocation.

I didn't exactly enjoy driving right into the centre of Paris.
The Code and Test are hard enough, I swatted it with my girls.
Insurance is crazy in the uk.

 

[robs1]

France is an inherently safer place to live and drive. I can tell you that without equivocation.

The actual figures prove the opposite, more murders on average and a huge spike in France in 2021 and nearly double the number of road deaths according to the EU stats

 

[Magnus Oyke]

At some point young people have to be allowed to make their own mistakes. We all remember getting our first car and the independence it gave us, great days.

I don't want to live in a world where young lads don't take risks, if it wasn't for young lads taking risks, we'd still be living in mud huts.

I put it to the jury that a lot of the issues with male mental health is because men aren't allowed to take risks any more, life is too sanitised. Oh, if you want to drive fast, go to a track. Which track? You've had them all closed because of the noise.

Rememeber, we also have some of the safest roads in the world.

 

[manhill]

My driving lessons in the 60's were hammering around country lanes in a mini trying to skittle pheasants. The instructor had a taste for game. Amazing he had faith in my killing skills!

 

[czechmate]

At some point young people have to be allowed to make their own mistakes. We all remember getting our first car and the independence it gave us, great days.

I don't want to live in a world where young lads don't take risks, if it wasn't for young lads taking risks, we'd still be living in mud huts.

I put it to the jury that a lot of the issues with male mental health is because men aren't allowed to take risks any more, life is too sanitised. Oh, if you want to drive fast, go to a track. Which track? You've had them all closed because of the noise.

Rememeber, we also have some of the safest roads in the world.

Maybe…

My son caught Karting at about 11. I used to take him to a lot of race meetings. For something to do I got myself a kart too.
At one of the tracks we went to, there was a lovely family, dad brought 4 boys. 14 - 19. I used to be next to the second youngest all the time (same speed) who was 16.
We had picked it up through karting forums anyway, but we went to a meeting, dad was there with just the 14 year old. The elder three had all been killed in a lads RTA.
I still remember walking up to him and talking to him on the pit wall as it was as though he was radioactive . Talk about a broken man. Obviously.
Whatever can stop this kind of thing.
My bro was mad, 17-25, the cars he destroyed is in double figures, he survived but a lot of good luck; 8 lives used up

 

[czechmate]

My driving lessons in the 60's were hammering around country lanes in a mini trying to skittle pheasants. The instructor had a taste for game. Amazing he had faith in my killing skills!

much the same, I pickup a speeding ticket the day after my test - which was 5 weeks after my 17th.
But I had been planning on going rallying for a couple of years by then

 

[czechmate]

Maybe…

My son caught Karting at about 11. I used to take him to a lot of race meetings. For something to do I got myself a kart too.
At one of the tracks we went to, there was a lovely family, dad brought 4 boys. 14 - 19. I used to be next to the second youngest all the time (same speed) who was 16.
We had picked it up through karting forums anyway, but we went to a meeting, dad was there with just the 14 year old. The elder three had all been killed in a lads RTA.
I still remember walking up to him and talking to him on the pit wall as it was as though he was radioactive . Talk about a broken man. Obviously.
Whatever can stop this kind of thing.
My bro was mad, 17-25, the cars he destroyed is in double figures, he survived but a lot of good luck; 8 lives used up

funnily, I still think of that 16 year old I used to race against