Grain storage

[warksfarmer]

Are you related to Ed Balls ?

No. Maggie Thatcher.

 

[hindmaist]

If I go together with a few neighbours to build a 2000t grain store with drier,will it cost me more per ton than building my own 500t store with drier? Will it cost more per ton to operate? Not necessarily.The concept of farmers going together to build one big shed rather than a number of smaller ones isn't,in itself,economically unsound.

 

[Brisel]

True but I thought that's what everybody paid the NFU to do on the industry's behalf?

Has the likes of Camgrain started to finish the other con called the NFU?

That's truly off topic!

Hardly comparable either.

Perhaps these boys dont remeber whats happened to the dairy industry because of the short sighted attitude of a few when the mmb was ripped from us, size as you say is king.

Size isn't everything, apparently. (ahem). It's a good start though.

There's a handful of seed breeders, 5 main agchem producers, 2 big fertiliser producers in the Uk, 3 big flour millers, 4 maltsters & 2 osr crushers. Oh, and 50,000 farmers. Isn't it about time we got big enough to stand up to this lot instead of just doing our own thing?

 

[Brisel]

No. Maggie Thatcher.

That explains the union bashing

 

[tullah]

One of the reasons I go with Camgrain is because I was fed up with merchants telling me that if they sent my load of border line premium malting barley or milling wheat to the malster or miller it might be rejected. It would then incur redirection haulage charges. So over the years selling to the merchant I probably erred on side of caution letting it go as feed. That no longer happens with Camgrain and I get paid for any premium where premium is due.

 

[warksfarmer]

One of the reasons I go with Camgrain is because I was fed up with merchants telling me that if they sent my load of border line premium malting barley or milling wheat to the malster or miller it might be rejected. It would then incur redirection haulage charges. So over the years selling to the merchant I probably erred on side of caution letting it go as feed. That no longer happens with Camgrain and I get paid for any premium where premium is due.

Ok that's fine but how do you know your getting what you should?

Do you trust their analysis? Do they pull any fast ones? Does every load get sampled correctly.

I did work experience in a CS and grain was never tested properly if at all. Ok this was 20 yrs ago but it happened.

 

[tullah]

All on trust just like everyone does business in the real world. All business would grind to a halt without it.

 

[rob1]

Ok that's fine but how do you know your getting what you should?

Do you trust their analysis? Do they pull any fast ones? Does every load get sampled correctly.

I did work experience in a CS and grain was never tested properly if at all. Ok this was 20 yrs ago but it happened.

And merchants and mills always tell the truth. Being stroing in WG for 25 and every load has been tested.
We know and accept that you dont like cs but comments like that are plain silly and make you look like a prat

 

[Honest john]

I was on a jolly in Sweden one year. We visited with a forward thinking farmer who was involved in starting a Co Op CS years ago.
Fast forward 20 years, the Co Op Cs has been sold to form a PLC.

He is now involved in starting another Co Op.

It seems these CS businesses grow helped by sibsidies That the likes of me can't get. Over time they get top heavy, and return to the world of PLC's or just get priced out, then the wheel turns full circle again.

Having said that for 3 year FBT's with poor storage they have a place.

However a farming business such as Clive's that has an excess of storage is in agreat position when FBT's come to market in his area.
That is the way forward as I see it.
It gives you an edge in growing your farming area.

 

[Brisel]

Ok that's fine but how do you know your getting what you should?

Do you trust their analysis? Do they pull any fast ones? Does every load get sampled correctly.

I did work experience in a CS and grain was never tested properly if at all. Ok this was 20 yrs ago but it happened.

I don't think that your experiences 20 years ago with one dodgy character mean that the whole co-op storage system is bent.

Look at it another way - the farmer member owns the store & his charges employ the lab staff. Whose pocket is it going into?

 

[warksfarmer]

And merchants and mills always tell the truth. Being stroing in WG for 25 and every load has been tested.
We know and accept that you dont like cs but comments like that are plain silly and make you look like a prat

I stand by the question. You don't know it's tested correctly do you?

 

[Brisel]

No more than any mill or merchant. I trust the CS more as the client owns part of the store he sends his grain to. Where's the conspiracy?

 

[Clive]

I stand by the question. You don't know it's tested correctly do you?

I can't see how they would get away with not doing it properly these days Lee - GTAS and TASCC schemes would ensure that and the amount of audit and paper trail for any kind of 3rd party store these days would make it more effort to not do it properly

 

[TWF]

I herd today that members who want to sell out of CS are having problems finding buyers as a farmer will gain a lot more tax advantages buying new space from the CS than buying second hand space. Pentions etc??

 

[rob1]

I herd today that members who want to sell out of CS are having problems finding buyers as a farmer will gain a lot more tax advantages buying new space from the CS than buying second hand space.

Why would it be any different its the same asset .The first lot I bought which was from a retiring member was treated the same as the tonnage from the recent expansion i bought. Very little tax relief from a onfarm shed

 

[hindmaist]

Full tax relief on money paid to rent commercial storage.

 

[Pilatus]

If you put up new storage/dryer for goodness sake put it all under cover,especially on the western side of the country.Sooner or later rain will penetrate motors, bins dryer etc.unless you have shed or lean-to without sides to stop the most penetrating rain entering your major investment, that will more than lightly be there for your farming career.

 

[billboy 1]

ok after spending the last 20 mins reading about 10 pages of this thread personally I've prefer my own on farm storage this forum is great though isn't it the diversity of different ideas really interesting

 

[Hanslope]

As said if you consistently produce sh!t quality low bushel, ergot infested wheat then cs starts to make sense -

I was doubting my decision until I read that.

 

[franklin]

Claim on one load of milling wheat for ergot, after cleaning and redirection, was £44/t. Sad face smiley would be understated. No BG. Plenty of copper. Shyte quality damp feed with a sprinkle or ergot goes easily off farm. Dry, full spec milling wheat with an ergot or two is a pain.

Never enquired what the merchant store / commercial store policy on ergot was. I suspect that delivering milling wheat to a merchant store with some ergot in it would incur some large charges. But cant be certain.