Grass OR muck for grain yield??

[Bossfarmer]

It is rarely destroyed, but the yield reduction (20% with insecticide, likely worse without) is a step in the wrong direction in achieving high yielding wheat, which I think was the original question

Ive never heard of this are all wheat after grass crops affected by it? I tend to just grow wheat after tatties in my rotation

 

[ridger]

Can't see muck being a big addition to be honest, dung maybe would help what you think @Wellytrack

 

[quattro]

Is that the one that won the RNAS congratulations by the way!

Thank you, yes it is

 

[ollie989898]

If you are spraying grass off leaving the field to die off and then ploughing it or leaving it for several weeks is no bad thing as it encourages the frit fly to sod off.

 

[M-J-G]

Can't see muck being a big addition to be honest, dung maybe would help what you think @Wellytrack

Over here muck is dung.

 

[Wellytrack]

Can't see muck being a big addition to be honest, dung maybe would help what you think @Wellytrack

Didn’t really understand the question without the context of the thread but yes, both really.

Land lying in fallow is a common enough practice on the mainland that is completely alien to us as everyone fights and squabbles over every last 0.35 of an acre garden over here.

 

[7610 super q]

Proper farmers call it farm yard manure.

 

[Jerry]

I've put grass back into the rotation here as I have increase stock numbers and looking to get back to a true mixed farm set up.

The first field that went into a 3 year ley will come out the end of next summer.

It is a white clover/grass mix that has performed well on a field that was causing me some headaches in the arable rotation/performance point of view.

Im on light sand soil and the question that is looming soon is what to go with after the grass. Currently I'm leaning towards direct drilling in a winter forage crop of stubble turnips or forage rape, graze over winter and then into a spring cereal.

It will be interesting to see how that performs and how the overall performance of that field is for subsequent crops.

The next field to go out of arable rotation, Im thinking more of a herbal mix to make use of different rooting zones and increased drought resistance, plus the benefits to the grazing stock.

 

[T C]

Been looking at this on our currently mixed farm. Very hard to make much money from grazing grass unless milking. The grass benefit is around 3 years and I concur with @PMD that often the second year after grass is best. This is due to potential pests and timing of removing grass. Taking out grass in early autumn is hard to do with grazing cattle as your demand is at a peak.
In more normal weather patterns (what ever that is) the resilience of soil is less important.
I think we would be more likely to go to a summer fertility building crop once in 6 years rather than 50% grass.

 

[M-J-G]

Proper farmers call it farm yard manure.

I call it dung, as it's spread with a dung spreader.
I'm not very proper, but I'm fine with that.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

It was about economic placement in the root zone specific to manage localised acetic, butyric and proprionic acids which will still arise if there's routine neutralising practices. If you grow grass I think it's worth a read

Thatsthe PH in my drill slots after applying ton of slag a week before drilling, grass sprayed off 6 weeks ago

 

[Cowcorn]

Boss why would you want to plough up your 500 acres of grass to grow low return grain crops ?????? MILK boss milk , 500 acres of grass would feed a lot of cows and leave cereals for dead in returns per acre . With enough cows boss youd be making enough money to satisfy your needs and buy all the land you think you need but remember you can still only eat one dinner !!!

 

[AT Aloss]

Ive never heard of this are all wheat after grass crops affected by it? I tend to just grow wheat after tatties in my rotation

Frit Fly

cropscience.bayer.co.uk

 

[AT Aloss]

Thatsthe PH in my drill slots after applying ton of slag a week before drilling, grass sprayed off 6 weeks ago View attachment 897182

 

[Bossfarmer]

Boss why would you want to plough up your 500 acres of grass to grow low return grain crops ?????? MILK boss milk , 500 acres of grass would feed a lot of cows and leave cereals for dead in returns per acre . With enough cows boss youd be making enough money to satisfy your needs and buy all the land you think you need but remember you can still only eat one dinner !!!

Ive thought about this in the past, lotbof guys are at break even prices the last few years, at least with sucklers you dont have all the extra investment/work and get £100/head sub

 

[Bossfarmer]

Frit Fly

cropscience.bayer.co.uk

Mabye not an issue in scotland?

 

[Wellytrack]

Over here muck is dung.

Long dung my father calls it.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Over here we call it dock seed

 

[Renaultman]

On a good year all crops are good, on a very dry or a very wet year the soils with good structure and OM levels tend to shine.

Exactly this
grass for structure and muck for OM ideally incorporated not ploughed in IMHO

 

[M-J-G]

Over here we call it dock seed