Grass OR muck for grain yield??

[M-J-G]

Long dung my father calls it.

I'd forgotten that term

 

[E_B]

Works well, brilliant beans & then wheat & really low inputs

This is what we're doing, first crop of wheat after two years grass and then winter beans will be going in this Autumn. The beans strip tilled into grass stubble lovely after 70mm of rain two days earlier, on heavy land. Really pleased with how that worked.

 

[CPF]

The question was ? Grass or muck . Answer has to be Muck because you even have to put muck on grass to improve it .

 

[Derrick Hughes]

The question was ? Grass or muck . Answer has to be Muck because you even have to put muck on grass to improve it .

If you got no grass you cant put muck on it can you and a realy good cloverey sward will do a lot to look after it self
Red clover tends will fix between 150-250kg N/ha per
year compared to about 100-150kg N/ha per year
for white clover.

 

[Bill the Bass]

The question was ? Grass or muck . Answer has to be Muck because you even have to put muck on grass to improve it .

It’s the wrong question though really - yield is only part of the benefit. Grass in the rotation will improve soil structure, friability of the soil, offer a chance to control weeds, and give a bigger window to apply muck/slurry. Muck alone won’t improve soil as much especially as you need massive heavy kit to apply it on the scale he wants to do.

Muck is also a lot different nowadays, cow sh!t that was taken from a byer or shippon put in heaps and spread by hand for shilling a heap or what ever is a lot different to slother flung out of a huge burning spreader pulled by a 200hp tractor onto stubbles at the wrong time of year.

 

[martian]

How is the wheat after this?

I'll tell you this time next year.

 

[AT Aloss]

Mabye not an issue in scotland?

Wouldn't like to offer any guarantees

 

[CPF]

I am not going to let too much on, But I have written papers, on this subject. On behalf of the government (few years ago)which has been printed and published which is probably in your farm office. Soil organic matter and nutrients for the benefit of crops.This is a summary of the titles .

 

[N.Yorks.]

just curious as to peoples thoughts here im currently running 200 sucklers and followers plus stores and sheep on 500 acres of grass 220 silage/280 grazing im looking for some poorer ground to buy/rent for grazing the stock as its arable ground theyre on which could be growing a crop, the only concern i have is taking the grass out of the rotation will my yields suffer? i will still be applying much to the ground although it would then be spread over an extra 280 acres, what are peoples thoughts? is it worth doing this or just stick how i am?

You say you're looking at poorer ground for grazing, would that potentially affect the quality of grass and have a knock on effect to your stock.? If you had to improve it how much cost would you incur etc etc?
Could you look at increasing grazing efficiency on your existing land, freeing up existing acres to allow you to rotate your crop. Do more with the same area? Rotate the crop area, so you can use it as a reseed opportunity as you go back into grass each time?

 

[Bossfarmer]

You say you're looking at poorer ground for grazing, would that potentially affect the quality of grass and have a knock on effect to your stock.? If you had to improve it how much cost would you incur etc etc?
Could you look at increasing grazing efficiency on your existing land, freeing up existing acres to allow you to rotate your crop. Do more with the same area? Rotate the crop area, so you can use it as a reseed opportunity as you go back into grass each time?

tightening them up and rotating is an option but requires a lot of work

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Find some ground to cut silage off. That way your bringing fertility home

 

[N.Yorks.]

tightening them up and rotating is an option but requires a lot of work

I guess it all comes down to doing the sums to work out which route gives you the best margin etc etc and making sure there aren't any unintended consequences too.

 

[N.Yorks.]

Find some ground to cut silage off. That way your bringing fertility home

Good idea as long as the soil fertility and grass quality are as good as or better than home and not too distant.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Good idea as long as the soil fertility and grass quality are as good as or better than home and not too distant.

My dairy man just cut this now got his cattle on it
Needs to be run as a business venture . No to get rid of some old fegg