Has Spain got the 2nd wave ?

Please can someone explain how the case statistics are created?

Are they the results of positive tests and if so how many are done at testing centres by medics, or are they diy tests done at home (which are more unreliable)?

Also, how many tests are carried out now compared to when there seemed to be less virus around, and what proportion of test results from then and now were negative?

And finally, how many of the increasing number of people testing positive are in hospital or dying?

I'm struggling to make meaningful sense of case figures without context.
 

Hindsight

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Please can someone explain how the case statistics are created?

Are they the results of positive tests and if so how many are done at testing centres by medics, or are they diy tests done at home (which are more unreliable)?

Also, how many tests are carried out now compared to when there seemed to be less virus around, and what proportion of test results from then and now were negative?

And finally, how many of the increasing number of people testing positive are in hospital or dying?

I'm struggling to make meaningful sense of case figures without context.
Thank you - me too. Your post puts it perfectly. Lets see what replies come along!
 

arcobob

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Please can someone explain how the case statistics are created?

Are they the results of positive tests and if so how many are done at testing centres by medics, or are they diy tests done at home (which are more unreliable)?

Also, how many tests are carried out now compared to when there seemed to be less virus around, and what proportion of test results from then and now were negative?

And finally, how many of the increasing number of people testing positive are in hospital or dying?

I'm struggling to make meaningful sense of case figures without context.
The very reasons why comparison between countries are totally pointless. Even death figures are clearly unreliable from many parts of the world.
 

arcobob

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Norfolk
I have said it before, but I will say it again, the only figures you can trust are the daily, weekly, monthly, excess mortality over the last ten year average.
But of course many countries do not publish these, in a simple to follow Set of figures
They may be more trustworthy but what do they tell us? Lockdown presumably reduces exposure to all viruses but deaths due to other causes may be rising as a result.
 
The very reasons why comparison between countries are totally pointless. Even death figures are clearly unreliable from many parts of the world.
UK included.
I have said it before, but I will say it again, the only figures you can trust are the daily, weekly, monthly, excess mortality over the last ten year average.
But of course many countries do not publish these, in a simple to follow Set of figures
From what I've heard the UK's excess mortality figures are now around or below a five year average and have been for the past six weeks or so, including for flu and pneumonia. This is despite a reported 21,000 'extra' deaths due to other medical conditions that went untreated during the lockdown.

UK excess mortality figures were also below average during the first couple of months of the year for all causes and for flu and pneumonia. I understand there were fewer flu and pneumonia related deaths over the 2018-19 winter too.

To me that says that people who would have been susceptible to dying from flu and pneumonia in 2018-19 and early 2020 didn't, but died from (or complications arising from) cv19 in March, April and May 2020.

These are the simplest UK figures I could find and I think this site is updated on a weekly basis. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending17july2020

And from the ONS figures:

cv19 deaths jan to jul.JPG


These figures are despite all the lockdown breaches too, the BLM marches, illegal raves and parties, people crammed onto the beach etc.

:scratchhead:
 
UK included.

From what I've heard the UK's excess mortality figures are now around or below a five year average and have been for the past six weeks or so, including for flu and pneumonia. This is despite a reported 21,000 'extra' deaths due to other medical conditions that went untreated during the lockdown.

UK excess mortality figures were also below average during the first couple of months of the year for all causes and for flu and pneumonia. I understand there were fewer flu and pneumonia related deaths over the 2018-19 winter too.

To me that says that people who would have been susceptible to dying from flu and pneumonia in 2018-19 and early 2020 didn't, but died from (or complications arising from) cv19 in March, April and May 2020.

These are the simplest UK figures I could find and I think this site is updated on a weekly basis. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending17july2020

And from the ONS figures:

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These figures are despite all the lockdown breaches too, the BLM marches, illegal raves and parties, people crammed onto the beach etc.

:scratchhead:
Locally young healthy people have died of coronavirus
 

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