Have some of that Chris Packham

[Fallowfield]

'shooting's rich, influential backers join forces to fire on critics
Supporters are trying to improve sport’s reputation through a campaign group with no members that is funded anonymously'

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...fluential-backers-join-forces-fire-on-critics

 

[beefandsleep]

The sad truth is that the rspb like the rspca has been hi jacked by political and animal rights activists, pragmatic conservation has gone out of the window to be replaced by a class war blame game with fund raising becoming an end in itself. Reserve managers tear their hair out having to follow management guidelines written by acedemic ecologists in their ivory towers while dreaming up press statements that further alienate the people on the ground that they have to work with and whose goodwill they rely upon. Young ecologists swallow the; farmer and gamekeeper, evil wildlife hating capitalist mantra hook line and sinker and are let loose to wreak havoc.

 

[beefandsleep]

'shooting's rich, influential backers join forces to fire on critics
Supporters are trying to improve sport’s reputation through a campaign group with no members that is funded anonymously'

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...fluential-backers-join-forces-fire-on-critics

Anonymously? I can hardly blame them. Who would want to expose themselves to the hatred and bile that spurts forth from the animal rights fraternity? It’s good to see some balance, too often the narrative is only one way. AR are not interested in discussion, they will attempt to shut down anyone with an opposing view.

 

[Bury the Trash]

He's in New England with Michaela atm. its quite interesting actually.

 

[matthew]

He's in New England with Michaela atm. its quite interesting actually.

It would be ...



..if he stayed there.

 

[Bury the Trash]

he were'nt at all impressed with her turkey impression

 

[jondear]

He's in New England with Michaela atm. its quite interesting actually.

Nice little jolly!Least he's not banging on about badgers!

 

[Pilatus]

Hypothetical question. What is the ultimate quest animal rights people are aiming for????
Hypothetical again if they achieved their quest what would their next quest be????

Why are they ((animals rights folk so
Thick as two short planks)in their thinking that farmers want to eradicate wildlife, when all we ask is to be able to control it to keep a balance.
I am sure most farmers like the wild life , BUT , when I see protected buzzards swooping down on unprotected hare leverets and killing them I think something is very out of synch.
I saw the aforementioned with my own eyes, the unptotected leverets in the middle of field never stood a chance comared to the number of protected buzzards, a very sad sight to
experience.

 

[Fallowfield]

What is 'pragmatic conservation'?[/QUOTE]

Hypothetical question. What is the ultimate quest animal rights people are aiming for????
Hypothetical again if they achieved their quest what would their next quest be????

Why are they ((animals rights folk so
Thick as two short planks)in their thinking that farmers want to eradicate wildlife, when all we ask is to be able to control it to keep a balance.
I am sure most farmers like the wild life , BUT , when I see protected buzzards swooping down on unprotected hare leverets and killing them I think something is very out of synch.
I saw the aforementioned with my own eyes, the unptotected leverets in the middle of field never stood a chance comared to the number of protected buzzards, a very sad sight to
experience.

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How utterly traumatised you must be, watching nature in action.

Do you feel the same when a blackbird eats a worm or a robin eats an insect?

 

[jondear]

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How utterly traumatised you must be, watching nature in action.

Do you feel the same when a blackbird eats a worm or a robin eats an insect?

I think there are no shortages in populations of worms or insects . Stupid comparison!

 

[Pilatus]

I think there are no shortages in populations of worms or insects . Stupid comparison!

I don’t think some people have read that hares are declining in numbers,where as worms and many insects are plentiful compared to hare numbers.

 

[beefandsleep]

What is 'pragmatic conservation'?

Do I really have to explain to you the meaning of the word?
Pragmatic conservation is sensible, realistic, practical, it involves local people and those whose livelihoods are at stake, it does not alienate them. It is not theoretical, experimental nor ideological. Wildlife does not care for politics, nor does it care for the individual. It doesn’t matter to nature that grouse are shot for sport then eaten by humans just as it doesn’t care about a fox killing a hen harrier on the nest.

 

[SLA]

I don’t think some people have read that hares are declining in numbers,where as worms and many insects are plentiful compared to hare numbers.

I hope you have some scientific papers to back up that assumption

 

[essexpete]

I hope you have some scientific papers to back up that assumption

Well those still persisting with heavy cultivations might have to put up their hands. No paper to back it up.

 

[roscoe erf]

Haha! You must have asked 4 or 5 times now!

wasting his time

 

[Fallowfield]

I think there are no shortages in populations of worms or insects . Stupid comparison!

So your sadness is out of concern for the declining number of hares?

That decline is caused primarily by a combination of changes in farming practices resulting in loss of habitat and the lack of legal protection afforded to hares because it is a game species with no close season.

It has nothing to do with natural predation by buzzards.

So what's your proposals to help the hare?

Protect their habitat?

Legal protection from shooting?

Allow you to kill buzzards?

 

[Fallowfield]

Do I really have to explain to you the meaning of the word?
Pragmatic conservation is sensible, realistic, practical, it involves local people and those whose livelihoods are at stake, it does not alienate them. It is not theoretical, experimental nor ideological. Wildlife does not care for politics, nor does it care for the individual. It doesn’t matter to nature that grouse are shot for sport then eaten by humans just as it doesn’t care about a fox killing a hen harrier on the nest.

That approach has been tried in the past. It didn't work.

It led to the extinction of hen harriers in England.

 

[turbo]

So your sadness is out of concern for the declining number of hares?

That decline is caused primarily by a combination of changes in farming practices resulting in loss of habitat and the lack of legal protection afforded to hares because it is a game species with no close season.

It has nothing to do with natural predation by buzzards.

So what's your proposals to help the hare?

Protect their habitat?

Legal protection from shooting?

Allow you to kill buzzards?

Loss of habitat?could you explain what loss of habitat you are talking about in the last 20 years or so

 

[Fallowfield]

Loss of habitat?could you explain what loss of habitat you are talking about in the last 20 years or so

Why 20 years?

 

[7610 super q]

" changing farming practices ". Yawn.