How easy is it to get planning for farmhouse?

[dannewhouse]

I'm wanting to build my own house onsite, there is a farmhouse onsite but it belongs to my parents and has nothing to do with the farm. There are some stone buildings ideal for conversions but again owned by them. The ideal would be for me to buy the plot/1 acre off them. The farm business is in my name I have had it for 8 years since my grandad passed suddenly. Grandma lives in a bungalow they had made but owned privately with no tie.

My perfect location is the peak of the hill, 35m from msin road (on side of lane into farm)
130m nearest cowshed.

What will I need as proof and what are they likely to try and get me to do?
Don't want it too near sheds for expansion etc.
Can show living off farm for near 8 years.
Thanks

 

[Forever Fendt]

Can you think of anybody locally it to you who has done what you intend doing on the similar scale if so search they’re planning documents online and have a good read at the agricultural justification statements and see how are your situation would stack up against those I would recommend do as much research yourself as possible by reading all the reports and take a look at the planning inspector website and browse through the advanced search section and have a look for any appeals for farm dwellings and again see how this stacks up for yourself and See if you can obtain a copy of the farm handbook and calculate how many man hours your livestock number equates to and check that this would require someone living on siteThe financial test is no longer a requirement but positive figures will help your cause

 

[dannewhouse]

Thanks, I can't think of one but will search. Not a common thing I would have thought? Most farms have a farmhouse already. I was thinking they would winge about location but obviously I want a view! And try claiming a nearby house in the village is near enough?

Had a planning man here other day for something else and he said should be easy aslong as can justify 2 wages then we told him farms nowt to do with dad and just me and he thought really easy.

 

[S J H]

Thanks, I can't think of one but will search. Not a common thing I would have thought? Most farms have a farmhouse already. I was thinking they would winge about location but obviously I want a view! And try claiming a nearby house in the village is near enough?

Had a planning man here other day for something else and he said should be easy aslong as can justify 2 wages then we told him farms nowt to do with dad and just me and he thought really easy.

I wouldn't try it at 130m, I'd locate close to the buildings, get outline, then try and change later. You'll struggle to argue the need if you're 130m away, need to be within sight and sound.

 

[teslacoils]

Can't you buy a barn for conversion from the parents?

 

[dannewhouse]

I'm within sight line, it's more the watching a calving on CCTV suddenly you need to assist no good getting in car 10 mins up road I can run 130m fast if needs be!

 

[dannewhouse]

Can't you buy a barn for conversion from the parents?

Don't really want to, the "new" farm I'm building is away from the old yard and it will be a good pension for them to get the barns converted into 4 houses to rent out.
We may appear greedy for houses but you've to maximize from what you've got. I'm very fortunate to have had run of the farm from age 20

 

[Kidds]

Had a planning man here other day for something else and he said should be easy aslong as can justify 2 wages then we told him farms nowt to do with dad and just me and he thought really easy.

It has been said many times on here that there is no longer any requirement to prove financial viability. If that really is the case I would question your planners expertise in the matter based on the above.

 

[dannewhouse]

It has been said many times on here that there is no longer any requirement to prove financial viability. If that really is the case I would question your planners expertise in the matter based on the above.

I actually think he ment justify the work of 2 people with livestock numbers but I rushed typing thinking meaning was same

 

[som farmer]

we have done it, local, ex barrister, was really anti, and knew how to 'play' the rules, took a lot of time, but, if you 'fit' the requirements, of the legislation, they cannot not grant. You really should get an expert in.
We also tried to get pp for a meat storage unit, as we used to sell meat direct, I gave up, when 100's of people signed a petition, to stop the slaughter house being built, as said my neighbour is very clever, and very anti. It was a slightly difficult case, as we rent the farm, and various agreements, had to be negotiated.

 

[S J H]

I'm within sight line, it's more the watching a calving on CCTV suddenly you need to assist no good getting in car 10 mins up road I can run 130m fast if needs be!

I think you'll struggle, I'd try it closer then shift once you've got outline. They don't live in the real world, if you say you've got cctv, then they'll think you can live further away from the farm.

 

[dannewhouse]

we have done it, local, ex barrister, was really anti, and knew how to 'play' the rules, took a lot of time, but, if you 'fit' the requirements, of the legislation, they cannot not grant. You really should get an expert in.
We also tried to get pp for a meat storage unit, as we used to sell meat direct, I gave up, when 100's of people signed a petition, to stop the slaughter house being built, as said my neighbour is very clever, and very anti. It was a slightly difficult case, as we rent the farm, and various agreements, had to be negotiated.

I will be getting a planning expert. Just doing some of the homework myself.
Just run through john nix smd I get at least 320 and 275 defined as standard working year.
I have a pr*ck of a neighbour paid a planning man to fight me against a cow shed, I represented myself/did it all and won in the town hall, he didn't bother about my second shed!. As you've said fit the requirements it may be a battle but should be fine

 

[dannewhouse]

I think you'll struggle, I'd try it closer then shift once you've got outline. They don't live in the real world, if you say you've got cctv, then they'll think you can live further away from the farm.

I don't actually but I was thinking of an example why 130m is still better than even a really short car journey.
I'm certainly bearing in mind what your saying

 

[dannewhouse]

I think you'll struggle, I'd try it closer then shift once you've got outline. They don't live in the real world, if you say you've got cctv, then they'll think you can live further away from the farm.

I don't actually but I was thinking of an example why 130m is still better than even a really short car journey.
I'm certainly bearing in mind what your saying

 

[teslacoils]

I was told I couldn't justify living on site with 2000 pigs as I could rent in the village. Local council were of the opinion that living within 10 miles was fine. Rules may have changed.

 

[som farmer]

I don't actually but I was thinking of an example why 130m is still better than even a really short car journey.
I'm certainly bearing in mind what your saying

at start, we had planning officer out, to see where he would like us to put it, no problem, told us where, and supportive. Un fortuanly, he was replaced, by the most evil, lying, bitch possible, who, we found out later, was very friendly with said neighbour, coincidence? Once started, she queried everything, and then insisted we had to apply again, with all the same hassle, she again, tried to halt building, insisting it wasn't in the 'right' position, and we had to demolish, and put in the correct position, luckily, council sent someone else out, to check, who said, there is no datum point specified, and therefore, there is no problem with position, and he was prepared to take higher authority advice, on the problem, which sorted it out. The problem was basically, the barrister,or his coleagues, knew the law, and how to use it, with the right planning officer, it was a very uphill battle, but we got there in the end, nearly 6 years !!!

 

[Optimus]

We got a guy from sac to come put something together for us.he knew exactly what to say and how to word it.without him doubt we'd of got planning.

 

[S J H]

I don't actually but I was thinking of an example why 130m is still better than even a really short car journey.
I'm certainly bearing in mind what your saying

See what you're saying, but if you look at I think from their position. If they've been turned over by people going for Ag tag with some llamas, then removing the tag a few years later, they are right to be suspicious when someone wants to build a house so far away from the buildings.

Can you not change the layout of the expansion so you can be close by? With ours I wanted to be close so I can nip out, without having to drive up a track.

 

[Piggy_jags]

I was told I couldn't justify living on site with 2000 pigs as I could rent in the village. Local council were of the opinion that living within 10 miles was fine. Rules may have changed.

Generally we find 2000 piglets can throw it with a couple of calves in another building show need on welfare grounds to be with the young stock at weaning.
but you do have to pay for a professional to do the planning.

 

[Laurence]

If you've got a long term relationship with your vet, get them to write a letter of support justifying it from an animal welfare point of view.