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I suspect that if you look at statistics of farmers deaths the highest killer is suicide
Bureacracy & stress contributes considerably towards this
HSE to clamp down on farms this 2019
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I suspect that if you look at statistics of farmers deaths the highest killer is suicide
Bureacracy & stress contributes considerably towards this
kiwi pom
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- canterbury NZ
I completely agree with you on that, its ridiculous that they cant be moved.
In fact its so ridiculous I do question it. Who here has actually followed the process to get a dangerous footpath moved- there must be one- and what was the reason for it being denied, did you get it in writing?
I find it very difficult to believe that the council or whoever's responsible would refuse to move it on H&S grounds.
I'm sure it's costly but it would be right at the top of my to do list.
Even as a tenant you should be able to fight it?
It is a costly and unforgiving legal procedure in the UK. One wrong move or an awkward busy body putting their oar in and you’re basically stuffed.
kiwi pom
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- canterbury NZ
Yes I understand its costly and complicated but If done properly then surely the council(?) gives a decision on its movement. Busy body or not they are then refusing to do something on H&S grounds. Hard to belive they'd put that in writing.
Which makes me think its the cost and process that prevents it from happening, not that it cant be done?
No there is an established legal principle that “once a highway, always a highway”. If you get planning permission it opens up easier avenues to move paths, but apart from that one objector who knows what they are talking about can completely kill the process, whether or not you have Council support for moving the path.
kiwi pom
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Interesting stuff. So basically there's no point trying to move it because even if you get permission someone can come along and object and now you have two footpaths?
matthew
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- Cornwall, SW England
That 'highway' can also be an error on a Definitive map, un noticed and thus unchallenged by a landowner. I have a friend who is dealing with this at the moment.
And as for a definitive footpath going through cattle buildings, - words fail me.
HSE, biosecurity and common sense go out of the proverbial, as a red mist comes down over the Ramblers' Association's collective eyes.
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- East Sussex
What is the likely cost of moving 100m of footpath?
If you knew what you were doing you wouldn’t open the new path until you had the order to move the right of way. The order would be worded so you couldn’t close the old path until the new path was open.
The legal test the new path would have to pass is that it must be “more commodious” than the old path. This basically means better in every single way. The effect is if someone objects to the path being moved because they like walking through farm yards for them the new path is “less commodious” and if they knew how to argue the point you are stuffed.
Paddington
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- Soggy Shropshire
Footpaths can be moved and quickly, but only if you know the right people. If say the footpath borders land belonging to the Royal family or someone about to enter the Royal family and is assessed a potential security threat the objections to moving it will suddenly disappear.
But mere mortals do not have access to that legislation and in theory those closures are generally only temporary albeit that they can be long term. WW2 bases closed a lot of paths and roads but in theory they are only shut while the areas are used for military purposes and should re-open when the base closes.
matthew
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- Cornwall, SW England
There is a set price to move a footpath, and it doesn’t matter how long it is, or how far you move it 1.5m to either side of its line on the Definitive map.
Around here it’s about £1100, or was.
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- East Sussex
Criminal.
TBF, £1100 doesn't sound too bad. I thought it might be 3 times that.
Probably add £100k onto the value of my property by not having these twaites taking shortcuts through my garden......
Probably add £100k onto the value of my property by not having these twaites taking shortcuts through my garden......
Is that just the council charge or does that include advertising it in London gazette as well? I think there are different rates depending on if it is an order made under the Highways Act or the Town and Country Planning Act.
matthew
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- Cornwall, SW England
Check with your Council and never underestimate a bureaucrat’s ability to spend / waste your money.
matthew
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- Cornwall, SW England
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- East Essexshire
Had one moved from through the middle of the yard a few years ago.
The advantage we had was that the path crossed a ditch about 100 yards down the field, and the council realised that it was their responsibility to install a bridge. Their quote/estimate was in excess of £35K, so they were keen as mustard to see it moved to follow the same headland all the way to the road.
We still had to pay the basic fee, and the rambler association eedjits still objected, but with the council actively pushing it, things went very smoothly, if slowly. Over ten years from start to finish in the end.
The advantage we had was that the path crossed a ditch about 100 yards down the field, and the council realised that it was their responsibility to install a bridge. Their quote/estimate was in excess of £35K, so they were keen as mustard to see it moved to follow the same headland all the way to the road.
We still had to pay the basic fee, and the rambler association eedjits still objected, but with the council actively pushing it, things went very smoothly, if slowly. Over ten years from start to finish in the end.
Doing it for the kids
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Moved one 2 yrs back, took about 3 yrs and £3,500 from memory
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