Chae1
Member
- Location
- Aberdeenshire
We Just use the screw on type if in a hurry. Looked at the spaldings one at llama, looked good but expensive. Had 6 pipes made up over harvest, came to £120. Don't get much for £20 nowadays.
Hydraulic pipe crimper
- Thread starter Monty
- Start date
We Just use the screw on type if in a hurry. Looked at the spaldings one at llama, looked good but expensive. Had 6 pipes made up over harvest, came to £120. Don't get much for £20 nowadays.
Have a sneak round local dealers scrap pile for pipe and salvage a few hard to find ends to reuse
on non safety critical pipes.
be careful about oiling ram shaft,something caused the seals to swell on mine and it dont return easily!!!
You will learn to dislike manufactures who use non standard pipe and fittings.
dont tell friends and neighbours you have one
kneedeep
Member
- Location
- S W Lancashire
Our local firm won't put new ends on old pipe ( elf and safttee) or what's known as.....
Taking the pee
A crimper with 3/8 1/4 1/2 inch dyes and fifty quids worth of fittings from parquip.
Reckon it's paid for itself in 18 months.
Monty
Member
- Location
- Nantwich, Cheshire
Thanks for all the help guys. I've got the 1 inch pipe on and some 1/4 inch perished pipes to renew on the hedgecutter and a few leaks on the muckspreader to sort first.
I've got a selection of bsp fittings to get me started.
I've got a selection of bsp fittings to get me started.
JohnDeere8530
Member
thought about getting one and then lo and behold a small hydraulic repair business decided to start up and rent one of my units. Now have an endless supply of pipes fittings, oils etc etc all on my doorstep and at trade prices !
- Location
- Huntingdon
Chae1
Member
- Location
- Aberdeenshire
Just use spaldings. We use them as a quick fix. Would rather have crimped ends. They are good to get you out of a fix.
Think you will get better deal and service from parquip
Monty
Member
- Location
- Nantwich, Cheshire
Ok see you then. I believe new pipe is charged by the inch. And obviously wouldn't be able to repair or replace ends on old pipe for safety reasons (cough cough).
Red Rider
Member
- Location
- N. Scotland
Would anybody know what this crimper might be worth? Acquired as part of a job lot and believed to be working when last used about 4 yrs ago but haven't got 3 phase to test it, only have the one set of dies for it.
rc mx110
Member
just take the pipe to Teifi forge they fot every joint/fitting known to man in stock will sort it while you wait and will repair a pipe if the pipe is ok
ACEngineering
Member
- Location
- Oxon
The reason its not good idea to cut off ferrules and reuse inserts is be cause when they are crimped properly the insert classes slightly, so when reusing it second time round you have to over crimp the ferrule to get a proper crimp on the insert so you end up with a poor crimp as an over crimped ferrule.
I have had to do it myself on odd times when in a rush but never ideal and any specialist hose firm will refuse to do it on safety grounds and rightly so.
These are also great variations between hose manufactures even if the hose is to the same spec. there is also many specs of hose all looking the same from the outside or untrained eye and all requiring different types/styles of fittings and crimp settings.
The correct and Easy way to test if you have crimped ferrule enough is to find a drill bit that is a reasonable fit in the insert before crimping then crimp it down till the drill bit wont pass though the insert, (be sure not to be crimping while drill bit is in the fitting or you will get it stuck!) drill bit must not pass though insert when pressure is off crimper.
Once you have a good crimp on a straight insert using this test record the settings on the machine and also the crimped ferrule dia using a digital vernia on a sheet for use on all other inserts that size. you will need to check this setting every time you use a different make of fitting or hose as they all vary.
Also pay attention to the working pressure of the hose you are replacing which will vary from manufacturer and hose spec, replace like for like. worth noting the bigger the hose dia the lower the working pressure will be in that given hose spec.
For example standard 2 wire 3/4 hydraulic hose is no good on any telehandler as the working pressure is way to low and it will just blow the ends off in minutes so for some thing like this you need a higher spec 2 wire hydraulic hose with a skive fitting crimped direct to the hose wire core or you go to a 4 wire multi spiral hose which is best.
Even standard 5/8 2 wire is not really up to the pressures of modern handlers.
Working pressure and spec will be printed on the hose.
Hydraulic hose is a mine field so many types used not to mention all the different sorts of fittings you get too.
I have had to do it myself on odd times when in a rush but never ideal and any specialist hose firm will refuse to do it on safety grounds and rightly so.
These are also great variations between hose manufactures even if the hose is to the same spec. there is also many specs of hose all looking the same from the outside or untrained eye and all requiring different types/styles of fittings and crimp settings.
The correct and Easy way to test if you have crimped ferrule enough is to find a drill bit that is a reasonable fit in the insert before crimping then crimp it down till the drill bit wont pass though the insert, (be sure not to be crimping while drill bit is in the fitting or you will get it stuck!) drill bit must not pass though insert when pressure is off crimper.
Once you have a good crimp on a straight insert using this test record the settings on the machine and also the crimped ferrule dia using a digital vernia on a sheet for use on all other inserts that size. you will need to check this setting every time you use a different make of fitting or hose as they all vary.
Also pay attention to the working pressure of the hose you are replacing which will vary from manufacturer and hose spec, replace like for like. worth noting the bigger the hose dia the lower the working pressure will be in that given hose spec.
For example standard 2 wire 3/4 hydraulic hose is no good on any telehandler as the working pressure is way to low and it will just blow the ends off in minutes so for some thing like this you need a higher spec 2 wire hydraulic hose with a skive fitting crimped direct to the hose wire core or you go to a 4 wire multi spiral hose which is best.
Even standard 5/8 2 wire is not really up to the pressures of modern handlers.
Working pressure and spec will be printed on the hose.
Hydraulic hose is a mine field so many types used not to mention all the different sorts of fittings you get too.
matttargett4
Member
Just my thoughts,
I have a whole set up from Nick at parquip, I beleive the crimper was about 1500 quid, Nick did me a selection of fittings which we have expanded, people now come to me when they can't find stuff, if I don't have it Nick always does and he's pretty local to me , if you have a decent amount of kit I don't see how you can afford not to have it.
I guess we have 1000-1500 quid in fittings and hose, that does me 1/4, 3/8, 1/2, 5/8, 3/4 and and a bit of 1" in bps metric l and s jic, orf and a boat load of adapters and quick release fittings.
I could bitch about the money tied up or I could look at 200 grand of chopper or combine or tractor and trailer or digger which is parked whilst I'm scratching my ass waiting at a place that doesn't have the parts I need anyway and think actually return on capital employed is not something farming does well at so if I can keep the wheels turning a bit longer at that money it's good value.
As for being complicated/dangerous/difficult that's a joke, no you don't want to be cutting ferrules off and re crimping ends but you'll find if you have the parts to do the job you don't tend to, my experience has been nicks 2 wire hose lasts longer than 3cx genuine so I'm pretty cool about standing under the bucket.
I have a whole set up from Nick at parquip, I beleive the crimper was about 1500 quid, Nick did me a selection of fittings which we have expanded, people now come to me when they can't find stuff, if I don't have it Nick always does and he's pretty local to me , if you have a decent amount of kit I don't see how you can afford not to have it.
I guess we have 1000-1500 quid in fittings and hose, that does me 1/4, 3/8, 1/2, 5/8, 3/4 and and a bit of 1" in bps metric l and s jic, orf and a boat load of adapters and quick release fittings.
I could bitch about the money tied up or I could look at 200 grand of chopper or combine or tractor and trailer or digger which is parked whilst I'm scratching my ass waiting at a place that doesn't have the parts I need anyway and think actually return on capital employed is not something farming does well at so if I can keep the wheels turning a bit longer at that money it's good value.
As for being complicated/dangerous/difficult that's a joke, no you don't want to be cutting ferrules off and re crimping ends but you'll find if you have the parts to do the job you don't tend to, my experience has been nicks 2 wire hose lasts longer than 3cx genuine so I'm pretty cool about standing under the bucket.
Red Rider
Member
- Location
- N. Scotland
About £20
Can you put it on a pallet for me?
Yes £20 should about cover my time to put it on a pallet
PM me an offer if you are interested.