IAE & Bateman gear

[Danllan]

We bought three Bateman tip over water troughs last autumn, rusting like hell inside, perhaps we should not leave them full of water
Complained to Wynnstay twice , no reaction as yet

Clearly unfit for purpose, take them back and demand replacements or refund.

They can't get away with this, Wynnstay should take over the case and sort Bateman out; name and shame, Wynnstay Tregaron?

I've not been impressed with any Bateman kit since I came back to farming and, sadly, even in just the last five years or so have seen a fall in the quality of some IAE stuff too. However, to be fair, IAE & Wynnstay Pensarn (Carmarthen) have replaced anything poor without question.

 

[Forever Fendt]

How many farmers would be willing to pay maybe 50% more for livestock equipment such as gates,barriers ,troughs and feeders ect if they were made from steel twice the thickness and welded properly to last 2/3 times longer than mass produced items built to a price,I suspect not many but i could be wrong

 

[Northeastfarmer]

How many farmers would be willing to pay maybe 50% more for livestock equipment such as gates,barriers ,troughs and feeders ect if they were made from steel twice the thickness and welded properly to last 2/3 times longer than mass produced items built to a price,I suspect not many but i could be wrong

I would for fence posts!

 

[David.]

The Fence-and-forget post man had some really nice galv' hurdles and gates at the Welsh Show 2 yr ago, they were dearer than other rubbish available but looked good to me. Try him perhaps.

 

[David.]

How many farmers would be willing to pay maybe 50% more for livestock equipment such as gates,barriers ,troughs and feeders ect if they were made from steel twice the thickness and welded properly to last 2/3 times longer than mass produced items built to a price,I suspect not many but i could be wrong

Lot of people only interested in price, they get the quality they deserve.

 

[neilo]

How many farmers would be willing to pay maybe 50% more for livestock equipment such as gates,barriers ,troughs and feeders ect if they were made from steel twice the thickness and welded properly to last 2/3 times longer than mass produced items built to a price,I suspect not many but i could be wrong

I have some ancient Poldenvale hurdles, a lot of which was bought at a farm sale well over 20 years ago, and likely to be close to 40 years old. The tin is now rusting through on a few of the sheeted hurdles, having sat either side of a footbath for years, so was looking to replace of repair a few. I had always thought Bateman was stronger/heavier than IAE, which is held together with little more than galvanising IME. It seems this thread has saved me making that mistake anyway.

I have enquired with a local fabricator, to make some up the same spec as those original Poldenvale. I'd have thought they'd sell like hot cakes to anything other than smallholders (no offence), but perhaps lack or follow up sales wouldn't make for a profitable business model?

 

[Forever Fendt]

I have some ancient Poldenvale hurdles, a lot of which was bought at a farm sale well over 20 years ago, and likely to be close to 40 years old. The tin is now rusting through on a few of the sheeted hurdles, having sat either side of a footbath for years, so was looking to replace of repair a few. I had always thought Bateman was stronger/heavier than IAE, which is held together with little more than galvanising IME. It seems this thread has saved me making that mistake anyway.

I have enquired with a local fabricator, to make some up the same spec as those original Poldenvale. I'd have thought they'd sell like hot cakes to anything other than smallholders (no offence), but perhaps lack or follow up sales wouldn't make for a profitable business model?

Well i should be able to report on sales of quality hurdles soon as i will be advertising mine when i have sorted them out maybe about 60 with lugs and pins and various other sheep equipment

 

[neilo]

Well i should be able to report on sales of quality hurdles soon as i will be advertising mine when i have sorted them out maybe about 60 with lugs and pins and various other sheep equipment

If it's the old Poldenvale stuff, I'll take all the hurdles for what we paid for the last lot. That was £15/hurdle and everyone looked at us as though we were nuts. Maybe it should be less?

 

[Forever Fendt]

If it's the old Poldenvale stuff, I'll take all the hurdles for what we paid for the last lot. That was £15/hurdle and everyone looked at us as though we were nuts. Maybe it should be less?

no,no

 

[neilo]

no,no

Notes?

 

[Nithsdale]

I have some ancient Poldenvale hurdles, a lot of which was bought at a farm sale well over 20 years ago, and likely to be close to 40 years old. The tin is now rusting through on a few of the sheeted hurdles, having sat either side of a footbath for years, so was looking to replace of repair a few. I had always thought Bateman was stronger/heavier than IAE, which is held together with little more than galvanising IME. It seems this thread has saved me making that mistake anyway.

I have enquired with a local fabricator, to make some up the same spec as those original Poldenvale. I'd have thought they'd sell like hot cakes to anything other than smallholders (no offence), but perhaps lack or follow up sales wouldn't make for a profitable business model?

I was at a 'machinery sale' at a market here in the spring... Big batch of brand new gates and cattle hurdles stacked up - all stickers scrubbed off though. 1 guy selling the lot.

I got sight of the plastic strapping they use to tie a bundle together, tucked underneath the pile of gates. Bateman. 10ft Cattle Hurdles which were 6ft tall - I lifted one and could throw it about like they were 4ft sheep hurdles they wouldn't last 5 mins here

IIRC none were sold.

Folks buy on price... but tinfoil is an insult to the industry

 

[Penmoel]

@Danllan

We bought three Bateman tip over water troughs last autumn, rusting like hell inside, perhaps we should not leave them full of water
Complained to Wynnstay twice , no reaction as yet

I'd say "not fit for purpose "

all over in various spots

Phone Bateman direct and you'll definitely get a response

I think I've been waiting for 4 years for the uk sales manager to phone me back. He was super efficient doing the deal though.

No response from Wynnstay at all so sent a message on Batemans website , had a reply which asked for photo's as above, sent these to them a fortnight ago and a reminder today to which I received the following response..

We cannot draw a conclusion from the photos.
These could have been at the depot for a long period of time for all we are aware.
Galvanising is NOT a 100% guarantee of anti corrosion.
However if you wish to return them to the depot and be credited for them please ask the depot to issue us with the order number and we will ensure the credit is passed onto them.

Upshot is at least they will take them back , problem now is they were put in place and walls built around them , so finding similar size etc is next job? What about the cost of this?

 

[GTB]

Bateman. 10ft Cattle Hurdles which were 6ft tall - I lifted one and could throw it about like they were 4ft sheep hurdles they wouldn't last 5 mins here

Are you positive they were Bateman? We have some IAE and Bateman 10ft cattle hurdles. The IAE are very slightly heavier but also a few years older. The Bateman ones would be too heavy to throw about. You can just about carry one by yourself but ideally need two men to lift one onto a trailer etc

Or do they make them in different specs?

 

[GTB]

@Danllan





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No response from Wynnstay at all so sent a message on Batemans website , had a reply which asked for photo's as above, sent these to them a fortnight ago and a reminder today to which I received the following response..

We cannot draw a conclusion from the photos.
These could have been at the depot for a long period of time for all we are aware.
Galvanising is NOT a 100% guarantee of anti corrosion.
However if you wish to return them to the depot and be credited for them please ask the depot to issue us with the order number and we will ensure the credit is passed onto them.

Upshot is at least they will take them back , problem now is they were put in place and walls built around them , so finding similar size etc is next job? What about the cost of this?

I'm not a big fan of galv water troughs. Don't they all rust as above? We had some here years ago and the steel was quite rusty by the second winter. Wouldn't plastic be better?

 

[Forever Fendt]

I'm not a big fan of galv water troughs. Don't they all rust as above? We had some here years ago and the steel was quite rusty by the second winter. Wouldn't plastic be better?

or stainless steel

 

[Forever Fendt]

@Danllan





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No response from Wynnstay at all so sent a message on Batemans website , had a reply which asked for photo's as above, sent these to them a fortnight ago and a reminder today to which I received the following response..

We cannot draw a conclusion from the photos.
These could have been at the depot for a long period of time for all we are aware.
Galvanising is NOT a 100% guarantee of anti corrosion.
However if you wish to return them to the depot and be credited for them please ask the depot to issue us with the order number and we will ensure the credit is passed onto them.

Upshot is at least they will take them back , problem now is they were put in place and walls built around them , so finding similar size etc is next job? What about the cost of this?

What size and how many litres do you want ? could sort you some stainless steel ones

 

[Hesstondriver]

Is there anywhere you can buy the pins by themselves? I could do with a few more
Online preferably

I got some extra long ones from bateman , just phoned the rep , and they were made a deliverd - think £10 ea

 

[Nithsdale]

Are you positive they were Bateman? We have some IAE and Bateman 10ft cattle hurdles. The IAE are very slightly heavier but also a few years older. The Bateman ones would be too heavy to throw about. You can just about carry one by yourself but ideally need two men to lift one onto a trailer etc

Or do they make them in different specs?

Yeah. They were brand new... the only new items in the entire field and had the Bateman strapping taken off, but tucked underneath them. Too much of a coincidence to be another brand IMO.

This was just 6 months ago. Don't know if they do different specs, but I couldn't believe how light they were.

We have Ritchie 10ft hurdles from 2001, and IAE ones from the 90's. They take a bit of shifting

 

[Jerry]

I have some older IAE 6 foot hurdles, prob 15 years old, and some new ones. Same design but old ones weigh twice as much.

I’ve also got some sheeted hurdles that must be 35 years old. They weigh a tonne but are still prefect. Spent their life outside. Think they are Iron Works.

Doubt anything new build these days will last like that.

 

[Will Blackburn]

I've got bateman cattle hurdles from 2017, they are heavy enough. They couldn't be described as mobile if they were any heavier. Like gates they can be made to any spec, i guess if you want them to be beat a competitor's price they find a way?