If you tell lies you'll get caught out eventually
- Thread starter M-J-G
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Are there bulls forward with Jaegerbomb in their back breeding?
- Location
- Perthshire, Scotland
Anyone got jaegerbomb semen?
borderterribles
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- Location
- South Shropshire
Gannon fiasco nearly finished the JCS off. Some would say it SHOULD have done. Particularly as he had been used fairly heavily on Jersey Island where cross breeding isn't permitted by statute. The resulting progeny had to be slaughtered or exported off the island. Nowadays the JCS issue a list fairly regularly of bulls which are passed for use in the UK, and are promoted as Jerseys, but the progeny are not eligible for registration as pedigree!
It all comes down to breed societies trying to make themselves more important than they are. If they all disappeared overnight, the cattle wouldn't perform one iota different. Either dairy or beef.
Could be going cheap
He is Still the same bull I sposeCould be going cheap
They wouldn't have been able to enter them as their pedigrees would have been revoked. Procters were advertising a lovely bunch of bulls by Jaegerbomb on Facebook last month, they'll all have to go for commercial use.
It'd be fine for commercial cows, suppose the Handleys would have plenty.
Could be going cheap
that would be hell of an outcross ?
Charolais are DNA verified on both sides of the pedigree .. not sure about other breeds.
Lims used to only DNA test the sires but after this business all cows will have to be DNA tested when they produce their first calf, as of the 1st of October.
GenuineRisk
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- Location
- Somerset
I understand the Blue Society will introduce DNA testing on all calves born from next January goino forward. I’d say 85% of our herd is already DNA verified as we do so much ET work, so don’t think we’ll be getting any surprises!
M-J-G
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Are all calves born are verified on both sides?
Any female that is going to be used for breeding or bull used is DNA verified. At the time of first calving for a heifer and before a bull is sold or used .
Woolless
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- Location
- Berwickshire, Scottish Borders
Which, when you think about it, is appalling. Why should commercial farmers not be able to have confidence in those they buy seed,-stock from?
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
If I didn’t have confidence in the integrity of the breeder, I wouldn’t be buying from him, whether pedigree or crossbred stock. End of.
Woolless
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- Location
- Berwickshire, Scottish Borders
Absolutely correct. I don't want to be going to buy a tup and feel like I'm in a poker game..
CharcoalWally
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- Location
- West of Scotland
Of course they should - to suggest otherwise implies that we are collectively ingrained liars, and personally, I find that quite offensive. And I believe that the majority of honest breeders would feel that way too.
The grubby actions of a few deluded individuals that don't appear to have the sense they were born with, shouldn't tarnish the entire tribe.
CharcoalWally
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- Location
- West of Scotland
Dead right. I was discussing with a friend about potential purchases recently, and we both agreed that we would avoid a certain pool of stock for the very reasons you describe above.
As I mentioned earlier in this thread, a dodgy reputation doesn't necessarily harm you in breeding circles, if you're already established enough. But that's the kind of hassle that I don't need. Other people can gamble if they want, but I just shut people down immediately if I think they're trouble.
We’ve bought three stock tups from Northern Ireland and have said “never again” and “if you see me bidding on a tup from Northern Ireland shoot me” Probably unfair, probably prejudicial, probably tarring them all with the same brush, it was only three after all. But we were totally convinced.
This year we were in on 20k on a lamb that went on to make 48k. Guess what...he was from Northern Ireland.
This year we were in on 20k on a lamb that went on to make 48k. Guess what...he was from Northern Ireland.