If you tell lies you'll get caught out eventually

[Happy]

Unregistered "limousins" perhaps.....

What’s the problem?
Says they are unregistered in the Facebook link to sale @shearerlad has posted above and has Unregistered in bold type on sale page on H&H website.

 

[Agrivator]

If the Lim society has anything about them they’d take action on that. If they’re not registered how can they be capital L Limousin capital C Cattle...?

Breed Societies don't own the breed. Thank goodness.

 

[Highland Mule]

What’s the problem?
Says they are unregistered in the Facebook link to sale @shearerlad has posted above and has Unregistered in bold type on sale page on H&H website.

My understanding was that there was some dubiety if Jaegerbomb was 100% Lim, and hence the cattle to be sold may be Lim x, rather than pure.

 

[muleman]

My understanding was that there was some dubiety if Jaegerbomb was 100% Lim, and hence the cattle to be sold may be Lim x, rather than pure.

they will be no worse of that,they will be a good trade.

 

[Happy]

My understanding was that there was some dubiety if Jaegerbomb was 100% Lim, and hence the cattle to be sold may be Lim x, rather than pure.

Has that ever been confirmed?
My understanding is that following all the investigations parentages were found to be incorrect but don’t think any of the official investigations said they weren’t 100% Lim.
Nothing that unusual for pure cattle of whatever breed to be unregistered.

 

[Highland Mule]

Has that ever been confirmed?
My understanding is that following all the investigations parentages were found to be incorrect but don’t think any of the official investigations said they weren’t 100% Lim.
Nothing that unusual for pure cattle of whatever breed to be unregistered.

No idea, and just what I've picked up on reading about.

Cracking calves though indeed - would be proud to have any of those here.

 

[M-J-G]

My understanding was that there was some dubiety if Jaegerbomb was 100% Lim, and hence the cattle to be sold may be Lim x, rather than pure.

Even if there is truth in the talk (which I am told there isn't) that Jaegerbomb was 7/8 Lim, that would make his progeny 15/16 which is classed as pure in Europe, which makes these cattle as pure as many imports ever were.

 

[Cowmangav]

Something similar happened with an Ayrshire bull, it turned out that it had a different sire. Seemingly the breeder had served the dam with a straw of Ayrshire semen and a straw of red and white holstein semen, when the calf was born he "presumed" it was by the Ayrshire bull. Once the pedigree was sorted and altered I'm sure all progeny kept the pedigree status

+Missed this somewhat ill informed comment at the time. This was a flushing situation , where a cow was in the habit of producing large amounts of eggs ( eg 27 fertile from one flush ), so a mixed flush was carried out to spread the bloodlines. One of the sires used was a red carrier Holstein - so there was no doubt as to the parentage of the black animals . The red ones were all blood typed , and registered according to the parentage report provided by the same company that produced dolly the sheep. By the time DNA checks were being done on old semen stocks , and a different sire was indicated ,the company had ceased trading - thus there was no come back possible. Fortunately all the original paperwork - including AI certificates had been kept for the many years that had elapsed. The Roslin Institute parentage reports clearly stated that sire X was not possible , despite being the one later found by DNA results.

 

[Whitepeak]

Nearly commented on the Facebook Post advertising this sale a few weeks ago, was this the jaegerbomb sale
Be interesting what the trade is like.
Wonder if the females and calves would have been heading to the Red ladies sale anyway, or whether the 2 herds are just getting shut of them?
Also would the females be eligible as base females for grading up?

 

[Johngee]

Also would the females be eligible as base females for grading up?

I would think so, as long as they look like Limousins they can be used as base cows. Their descendants of course will never be classified as 100% pure (base cows go in at 75%) but if you're breeding bulls for commercial use it doesn't really matter.

 

[Hesstondriver]

@Whitepeak what is the blondes policy on DNA ? the Simmys are now DNA every heifer at calving and all sires used for breeding

 

[Whitepeak]

@Whitepeak what is the blondes policy on DNA ? the Simmys are now DNA every heifer at calving and all sires used for breeding

All animals have a hair sample taken when forward at a society sale. And once a stock bull reaches 10 registered progeny he is DNA tested. AI bulls and embryo donors and progeny, are also done. We also randomly sample calves (approx every 50th calf) and take samples of the calf, dam and sire.
It is being discussed at council whether this needs changing, so it's useful to hear what other societies are doing, thanks.

 

[bob_01]

I've just registered a calf with the lims. It's getting very expensive to register a calve of a heifer. Including a £50 royalty it came to £130 something.. think the blue bull can have the bulk of the lim cows from now on

 

[Henarar]

I've just registered a calf with the lims. It's getting very expensive to register a calve of a heifer. Including a £50 royalty it came to £130 something.. think the blue bull can have the bulk of the lim cows from now on

all this fecking about makes it more expensive for everyone

 

[bob_01]

@Henarar to top it of, if this heifer calve joins the breeding herd, she herself will need a DNA test at about £40, which will take her totat to £170ish.

 

[AGN76]

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@Henarar to top it of, if this heifer calve joins the breeding herd, she herself will need a DNA test at about £40, which will take her totat to £170ish.

I avoid royalty bulls as much as possible, anything silly (£40+) and I just don't use the bull. I don't care how good it is. I don't register bull calves either. Anything worth keeping as a bull I'll register at an older age.

 

[matthew]

All animals have a hair sample taken when forward at a society sale. And once a stock bull reaches 10 registered progeny he is DNA tested. AI bulls and embryo donors and progeny, are also done. We also randomly sample calves (approx every 50th calf) and take samples of the calf, dam and sire.
It is being discussed at council whether this needs changing, so it's useful to hear what other societies are doing, thanks.

It used to be the case that only bulls used in pedigree herds needed DNA testing with the Angus society.
Until it was pointed out that some rather strange colours were being presented as 'Angus'.
So they went back two years - to 2015 from memory, and DNA tested every bull free of charge.
So both heifers and bulls are DNA checked before a certificate is issued.

 

[bob_01]

@AGN76 it's a dear job and I'm definitely going to be more selective in what gets registered. I'm struggling to find a good royalty free bull. I've always tried for combined £50(say £20 straw+£30 royalty)

 

[Happy]

Be interesting what the trade is like.
Wonder if the females and calves would have been heading to the Red ladies sale anyway, or whether the 2 herds are just getting shut of them?
Also would the females be eligible as base females for grading up?

Could it be that difference in trade between this and red ladies day sale will be used as a basis for compensation claim by sellers?

 

[M-J-G]

@Henarar to top it of, if this heifer calve joins the breeding herd, she herself will need a DNA test at about £40, which will take her totat to £170ish.

And then some are prepared to sell bulls for a few quid over fat money, they'd be better with a ring on them on day one.