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Inappropriate use of cattle trailer

kiwi pom

Member
Location
canterbury NZ
No he wouldn't. Not unless the overhang was longer than the limit. Also, in what way was the load insecure? It doesn't need a tie-down to have a secure load or every blade of grass in my silage trailer would have to be individually secured.

If the load should have had some form of marking and didn't the driver would be at fault.
I would think the load is insecure if it can move around inside the trailer (obviously you cant tie cattle down) in this case it was sticking out so could perhaps fall out.
Curtainside trucks need their load secured to stop it moving round. I doubt the cop just made up the inappropriate use rule so there must be a reason for it, but maybe he did.

As for checking vehicles at marts, cant see anything wrong with that. No one would have anything to worry about because they would have all done their pre trip inspection before leaving home:whistle:
 

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
If the load should have had some form of marking and didn't the driver would be at fault.
I would think the load is insecure if it can move around inside the trailer (obviously you cant tie cattle down) in this case it was sticking out so could perhaps fall out.
Curtainside trucks need their load secured to stop it moving round. I doubt the cop just made up the inappropriate use rule so there must be a reason for it, but maybe he did.

As for checking vehicles at marts, cant see anything wrong with that. No one would have anything to worry about because they would have all done their pre trip inspection before leaving home:whistle:

Believe me, they make stuff up. Look back and see my post about the trailer's tyre.
I also remember the Royal Welsh Show one year when a colleague parked his car, along with dozens of others, outside on a wide grass verge. A public announcement was made that owners had half an hour to shift them before the police would start booking. The time limit was 9am. Mate went out at 8.45 and his car already had a ticket and plod was a few cars away, already booking every car. Mate made contact with plod and protested [there was no official parking restriction at that area anyhow and there was no obstruction to traffic or pedestrians]. Plod took the ticket and tore it up, saying "there you are, sorted".
A week later a parking fine turns up in the post.

A complaint to Chief Constable again resulted in the fine being cancelled.

So absolutely yes, I wouldn't trust them further than I could throw one of them. A significant number are very dodgy in one way or another.
 

DaveJ

Member
Location
Montgomeryshire
Believe me, they make stuff up. Look back and see my post about the trailer's tyre.
I also remember the Royal Welsh Show one year when a colleague parked his car, along with dozens of others, outside on a wide grass verge. A public announcement was made that owners had half an hour to shift them before the police would start booking. The time limit was 9am. Mate went out at 8.45 and his car already had a ticket and plod was a few cars away, already booking every car. Mate made contact with plod and protested [there was no official parking restriction at that area anyhow and there was no obstruction to traffic or pedestrians]. Plod took the ticket and tore it up, saying "there you are, sorted".
A week later a parking fine turns up in the post.

A complaint to Chief Constable again resulted in the fine being cancelled.

So absolutely yes, I wouldn't trust them further than I could throw one of them. A significant number are very dodgy in one way or another.

"A significant number" is a tad harsh. I get to meet most coppers operating in this area in turn. And over the years yes, much like any job, the odd one has been a bit of a bellend. Generally (as appears to be the case with your mate PC Westbury) you'll find his/her colleagues hold a similar opinion. The vast majority are decent, reasonable people. They just get a bit jaded with dealing with the same sh1t every day.
 

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
"A significant number" is a tad harsh. I get to meet most coppers operating in this area in turn. And over the years yes, much like any job, the odd one has been a bit of a bellend. Generally (as appears to be the case with your mate PC Westbury) you'll find his/her colleagues hold a similar opinion. The vast majority are decent, reasonable people. They just get a bit jaded with dealing with the same sh1t every day.
Don't we all.
 

JWL

Member
Location
Hereford
Here in Hereford we also have a knob on the traffic, never about to have a word with the rear work lights issue but just contents himself to have a vendetta on Land Rovers of the weekend warrior enthusiasts variety. Yes I do dabble in the type but mine has to be used everyday as it's my only vehicle and huge chunky tyres aren't really necessary for the school run.
Now this aforementioned expert has pulled quite a few of these Land Rovers and threatened them with all sorts of fines, section 59's, Vosa inspections and the like. His major reason for the tug? With these lifted tall suspension motors with winch bumpers it's the fact that "there's too much tyre showing from the front of the vehicle"
Complaints were sent to the Chief Constable along with all the relevant paperwork to do with Construction and Use from the Department of Transport and it seems that the policeman has been told to tone it down a little. It has got a few worried as he's not the sort to take it lying down ;) Then there's allways the way some people will worry as he's the one in the ARV :whistle:
 
If the load should have had some form of marking and didn't the driver would be at fault.
I would think the load is insecure if it can move around inside the trailer (obviously you cant tie cattle down) in this case it was sticking out so could perhaps fall out.
Curtainside trucks need their load secured to stop it moving round. I doubt the cop just made up the inappropriate use rule so there must be a reason for it, but maybe he did.

As for checking vehicles at marts, cant see anything wrong with that. No one would have anything to worry about because they would have all done their pre trip inspection before leaving home:whistle:
Come on , we always do a pre trip inspection, load secure, lights actually work, trailer coupling ok ,safety chain, wheels and tyres,rego...see nothing forgotten:whistle:
 

PSQ

Member
Arable Farmer
In fairness I think the only thing that would have bumped into our plastic pipes was a low flying jet! The policeman had too shin up onto his car to reach them, and even then his tape wouldn't reach. They were over the back of the trailer ramps.


Did he measure the length of the pipe poking out the back as it pointed into the air, or the HORIZONTAL projection (how far back from the trailer), as there is an important distinction.
If it was 2.3m at 45 degrees, then it was less than 2m on the horizontal, and the nice policeman doesn't have a leg to stand on.
 
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PSQ

Member
Arable Farmer
As for the "inappropriate use" BS, I would have been itching to say "how come you can't move pipes in a cattle trailer, but you can move pigs in a traffic car?" :whistle:

(*NB, I dont believe in calling plod 'pigs', but it fits the gag...).
 

multi power

Member
Location
pembrokeshire
If the load should have had some form of marking and didn't the driver would be at fault.
I would think the load is insecure if it can move around inside the trailer (obviously you cant tie cattle down) in this case it was sticking out so could perhaps fall out.
Curtainside trucks need their load secured to stop it moving round. I doubt the cop just made up the inappropriate use rule so there must be a reason for it, but maybe he did.

As for checking vehicles at marts, cant see anything wrong with that. No one would have anything to worry about because they would have all done their pre trip inspection before leaving home:whistle:
So milk is an insecure load? It can slosh around in the tanker ?
Obviously it can't fall off
 

Nearly

Member
Location
North of York
So milk is an insecure load? It can slosh around in the tanker ?
Obviously it can't fall off

Like this?
Ready+to+go+packed+and+ready_a1ac07_5353398.jpg


So how about the woodchip curtainsiders that are used as bulkers?
 

kiwi pom

Member
Location
canterbury NZ
So milk is an insecure load? It can slosh around in the tanker ?
Obviously it can't fall off

I bet you could get done for unsecured load or similar if it sprung a leak:(

The reason I mentioned it was a guess at why the cop said the trailer was inappropriately used, unfortunately the op doesn't seemed to have asked why it cant be used.
As for the pipes it seems they were sticking out too far and they got caught, fair one.
It will be interesting to know what happens.
 

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