Incoming new scottish independent referendum.

[czechmate]

I guess i was not clear, so this is about a new possible independent referendum for the scottish. What i was saying is this, If the scottish voted to remain in the brexit referendum, a following independent referendum might actually win. Then in this case what are you going to do. The SNP could make a nice propaganda, let's quit the UK to join the EU. Now the real question is scottish prefer to be under the UK as brexit or sovereign under the EU?

I was not clear but the name of the topic is "incoming new scottish independent referendum" so i was not referring to the previous one they had. Regards.

There is something of an historical anti English feeling there, to an extent I was very shocked at for a couple of New Years

 

[Muck Spreader]

I guess i was not clear, so this is about a new possible independent referendum for the scottish. What i was saying is this, If the scottish voted to remain in the brexit referendum, a following independent referendum might actually win. Then in this case what are you going to do. The SNP could make a nice propaganda, let's quit the UK to join the EU. Now the real question is scottish prefer to be under the UK as brexit or sovereign under the EU?

I was not clear but the name of the topic is "incoming new scottish independent referendum" so i was not referring to the previous one they had. Regards.

Remaining in the EU was a big part of the last Scottish referendum. Scots where emphatically told by the Tory government that it was far safer to remain as part of the UK if it want to remain in the EU. Twenty months later that proved to be a very big lie the Scots won't forget.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Remaining in the EU was a big part of the last Scottish referendum. Scots where emphatically told by the Tory government that it was far safer to remain as part of the UK if it want to remain in the EU. Twenty months later that proved to be a very big lie the Scots won't forget.

The Scottish don't vote Conservative.

 

[Henarar]

I guess i was not clear, so this is about a new possible independent referendum for the scottish. What i was saying is this, If the scottish voted to remain in the brexit referendum, a following independent referendum might actually win. Then in this case what are you going to do.

let them get on with it
what else do you think we should do ?
what will you do ?

 

[Devil_0101]

let them get on with it
what else do you think we should do ?
what will you do ?

Me i would quit the UK and join the EU. Regards.

 

[br jones]

Me i would quit the UK and join the EU. Regards.

Goodbye then

 

[Devil_0101]

Goodbye then

It is you who is leaving not me.

 

[capfits]

The Scottish don't vote Conservative.

So how did we end up with the following
Andrew Bowie
Colin Clark
David Duguid
Luke Graham
Bill Grant
Kirstene Hair
Alister Jack
Stephen Kerr
John Lamont
Paul Masterton
David Mundell
Douglas Ross
Ross Thomson

 

[melted welly]

I guess i was not clear, so this is about a new possible independent referendum for the scottish. What i was saying is this, If the scottish voted to remain in the brexit referendum, a following independent referendum might actually win. Then in this case what are you going to do. The SNP could make a nice propaganda, let's quit the UK to join the EU. Now the real question is scottish prefer to be under the UK as brexit or sovereign under the EU?

I was not clear but the name of the topic is "incoming new scottish independent referendum" so i was not referring to the previous one they had. Regards.

SNP COULD make nice propaganda?!

They’re round the primary and secondary schools handing out badges and flags to the kids.

They play the brow beaten minority card, which rallies the unemployed/unemployable, those with victim complexes and have gained a lot of traditional labour votes through attaching the word “Tory” to everything negative.

They’ve a large majority won on a fairytale premise, that bears no close scrutiny. I’m no economist but a little bit of googling stats and I reckon that only around 30 -40% of the Scottish population make a positive tax contribution (total population less non tax payers and those working in public service).

COULD make nice Propaganda?!

Past masters at bullsh***ing I’m afraid.

 

[Muck Spreader]

The Scottish don't vote Conservative.

I am taking about the next referendum.

 

[nivilla1982]

The SNP are apparently selecting MEP candidates for European elections according to The Herald

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news...european-elections-in-case-brexit-is-delayed/

 

[wanton dwarf]

So how did we end up with the following
Andrew Bowie
Colin Clark
David Duguid
Luke Graham
Bill Grant
Kirstene Hair
Alister Jack
Stephen Kerr
John Lamont
Paul Masterton
David Mundell
Douglas Ross
Ross Thomson

Yes you have a point and I do realise that Conservatives consider Scotland a success story over the recent past. Although I'm not aware of the numbers involved until your post.

However.

As far as I can remember Scotland has had either Socialist or now Nationalist politics dominating. People can seek to blame the Conservatives but I can't see why they would be listened to by the majority.

Do you think the Conservatives were to "Blame" for Scotland staying in the UK ?

 

[Devil_0101]

I read about "conservative", "nationalist", still do not you get the point is that the scottish under the UK have always been poor due to the financial restriction, they cannot trade as much they want and they are forced to depend from the UK, this is the reason many of them want to leave and find in the EU a better opportunity, this is the reason they might really leave the UK soon or later. The same goes in NI, but in there the conflict is even worse, it is not about "conservative", "nationalist" whatever, under the EU they can trade with better opportunities, the propaganda this UKIP has done about EU reflects the way UK behave. Regards.

 

[Henarar]

I read about "conservative", "nationalist", still do not you get the point is that the scottish under the UK have always been poor due to the financial restriction, they cannot trade as much they want and they are forced to depend from the UK, this is the reason many of them want to leave and find in the EU a better opportunity, this is the reason they might really leave the UK soon or later. The same goes in NI, but in there the conflict is even worse, it is not about "conservative", "nationalist" whatever, under the EU they can trade with better opportunities,

well let them get on with it then and the best of luck to them

 

[capfits]

Yes you have a point and I do realise that Conservatives consider Scotland a success story over the recent past. Although I'm not aware of the numbers involved until your post.

However.

As far as I can remember Scotland has had either Socialist or now Nationalist politics dominating. People can seek to blame the Conservatives but I can't see why they would be listened to by the majority.

Do you think the Conservatives were to "Blame" for Scotland staying in the UK ?

So that was 22.9% of the vote.
The Conservative and Unionist party had the most seats in 1955 and majority of popular vote in 1959.
The electorate made its choice in 2014 and if there is another referendum, they, and not any party will make their choice again.
Could also be that a number of SNP members are conservative but not unionist in outlook?

 

[wanton dwarf]

So that was 22.9% of the vote.
The Conservative and Unionist party had the most seats in 1955 and majority of popular vote in 1959.
The electorate made its choice in 2014 and if there is another referendum, they, and not any party will make their choice again.
Could also be that a number of SNP members are conservative but not unionist in outlook?

I'm not close enough to Scotland to know enough. But it's good news if at least that many support Conservatism.

I don't hold out any hope of the SNP being destroyed in the short term .. it'll take for their policies to be tried and to fail before that happens.

Most people in England are totally fed up with the SNP ..

 

[Henarar]

I'm not close enough to Scotland to know enough. But it's good news if at least that many support Conservatism.

I don't hold out any hope of the SNP being destroyed in the short term .. it'll take for their policies to be tried and to fail before that happens.

Most people in England are totally fed up with the SNP ..

I wonder how an English ref on leaving the UK would go ?

 

[capfits]

I wonder how an English ref on leaving the UK would go ?

Personally think they should call it.
@wanton dwarf
Most people in Scotland are totally fed up with the Conservatives.

 

[linga]

Remaining in the EU was a big part of the last Scottish referendum. Scots where emphatically told by the Tory government that it was far safer to remain as part of the UK if it want to remain in the EU. Twenty months later that proved to be a very big lie the Scots won't forget.

Hardly a lie. The Governments intention was clearly to remain in the EU.

 

[arcobob]

Hardly a lie. The Governments intention was clearly to remain in the EU.

The Tory manifesto and their intention to hold an EU ref was well publicised before the Scottish ref. One may argue that it is not uncommon for governments to renege on promises but in this case pressure from UKIP meant that they had no choice but to go through with it.