Infectious disease, including TB

[john.wantling]

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I know, it's hilarious isn't it.
Oh, and you will be waiting a long time for him to answer, he doesn't have one. Like most of his sort, present them with some facts and they handily ignore you. Or, use some nonsensical words in a rambling sentence that makes no sense whatsoever.

Storeman, you need to figure out, using your 'evidence' why we slaughter healthy cows. Is this good science or bad science? Ask yourself, why do you support a 'skin test' that generates a natural immune response, and then convince yourself that this cow has an 'infectious' disease. This is a giant leap in faith, to say the very least. This isnt science, it is propaganda.

People are beginning to wake up. Wendy Murphy (Former US Prosecutor) says about the Madeleine case, "I'm not buying it". She can see through the hype, see through the propaganda. I am saying that if we cannot see through the propaganda, if we take fake science as pure science, which is a program that is installed inside our brains, then this will end in tears.

Remember the moon landings, this was propaganda, it fooled us all. We all believed in the big lie. Have you yourself removed one of the truth’s protective layers? I do not believe that you have done that. Therefore, you believe the 'science' that man stepped foot on the moon.

Concerning TB and just like the so-called 'moon landings', the program in our heads is a lie, unless the mode of transmission is found, but so far, it still remains unknown. If you believe that it has been found, go tell Krebs and Macdonald, two of the biggest names in bTB science. So far, you have failed to do this. All you do is make fun, tell jokes, get drunk, have a laugh. This is your escape from reality, this is your conditioned response.

You fail to comprehend the difference between a truth and a lie. That says it all, but if you were truthful, then you would see this for yourself. It's a very harsh lesson to learn, it involves waking up from a deep sleep, but there is a sting in the tail, because whilst you run away, whilst you defend the lie, whilst you defend the 'evidence', then you are only laughing at yourself, at your own downfall.

Remember this about the so-called evidence that you protect. Not one of those academics or students who conjured up this evidence has ever found the mode of transmission. It is always assumed, never found. That is called theoretical science. That means it is a theory, not a fact. When you defend a theory, but you cannot find the fact (mode of transmission), you are struggling, you are grasping at straws.

Now have you learned your lesson for today, or do you go back to your program and once more defend the indefensible. Sadly, we all know the answer to that. As always, the conditioned response rules the waves. John Wantling, Rochdale
Ask the Astronauts - 4 OF 6

 

[Storeman]

So now you say the moon landings were not real?
You really are a very unwell person.
As a matter of urgency, you should seek help from a mental health expert.

 

[john.wantling]

What an utterly vile and despicable comment. I have been following this thread with a certain amount of wry amusement, but not any more. Spout controversial garbage if you must, Mr Wantling, but making deeply offensive remarks like this take your ignorance to a whole new level.

thatlldaespot, with respect, my harsh remark was a response to a member of this group who seems to think it amusing when healthy cows are slaughtered. The point I make is to make you understand that the skin test actually causes TB. I also make it clear that TB is a natural immune response, meaning it is a protective process aimed to produce homeostasis. A farmer recently told me something that I already knew, that all cows react to a skin test. Some cows react more than others. The only way a cow will not react to foreign matter, is if it is dead, meaning that the immune response no long works, or there is some form of immune system suppression taking place. I claim that the infectious 'science' is theoretical, not factual. I claim that we are caught in the theory, but this isnt the fact. I apologize for my comment, but when a member makes a joke of this issue, then he will only get what he deserves. Read the link below. It was a farmer who wrote this article. Now who is right, a farmer who defends a theory containing no fact, or a farmer who sees that an immune response is a sign of a healthy cow. I personally support Tim Green. You can support who you want, but this is not a laughing matter. John Wantling, Rochdale
Bovine TB, Badgers and a Permaculture Perspective
Tim Green
Wednesday, 17th August 2011
https://www.permaculture.co.uk/articles/1608111008/bovine-tb-badgers-and-permaculture-perspective

 

[thatlldaespot]

So the next time a farmer sees his precious cows being slaughtered on the basis of a fraudulent 'skin test', and that farmer is on the verge of suicide, you ask him out, have a good laugh about it all. That's the way to do it. John Wantling, Rochdale

You can spout as many of your cherished beliefs as you want, but if you were any sort of a decent bloke, you would delete that particularly offensive remark.

And if you were any sort of an 'expert' in the field, you would appreciate that we are legally obliged to have our reactors slaughtered, whether they have been newly infected or are simply showing an immune response.

 

[john.wantling]

So now you say the moon landings were not real?
You really are a very unwell person.
As a matter of urgency, you should seek help from a mental health expert.

Storeman, what have I just been talking about? The conditioned response. You read a newspaper and believe what it says, but it may be propaganda, it may be fake news. Instead of looking at the issue using rational thought, you are programed to believe in the propaganda. Richard D. Hall and Andrew Johnson both make it very clear that the moon landing were a total fabrication of the truth. You go tell them that they should seek a mental health expert. I can assure you, that they will laugh in your face and I will be laughing with them. You are infected with a program, and you cannot see it for what it is, a mere program. You are easy meat for the propaganda machine. John Wantling, Rochdale
A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon

 

[Storeman]

Storeman, what have I just been talking about? The conditioned response. You read a newspaper and believe what it says, but it may be propaganda, it may be fake news. Instead of looking at the issue using rational thought, you are programed to believe in the propaganda. Richard D. Hall and Andrew Johnson both make it very clear that the moon landing were a total fabrication of the truth. You go tell them that they should seek a mental health expert. I can assure you, that they will laugh in your face and I will be laughing with them. You are infected with a program, and you cannot see it for what it is, a mere program. You are easy meat for the propaganda machine. John Wantling, Rochdale
A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon

I'm infected am I?
So there is such a thing as infection. You need to make your mind up.
So, if we didn't land on the moon, explain the reflectors placed on the moons surface that are used to bounce lasers off. We put them there. If we didn't land there, how did they get there?
Now, I guess you will start saying that they don't exist, I'm falling for the lies ( definately not falling for the utter rubbish you spout), etc etc, blah blah, but get yourself a telescope and go and study the moon on a clear night and you can see them. They exist, we put them there.

I have the number for your local mental health team, would you like me to PM it to you?

 

[Muck Spreader]

thatlldaespot, with respect, my harsh remark was a response to a member of this group who seems to think it amusing when healthy cows are slaughtered. The point I make is to make you understand that the skin test actually causes TB. I also make it clear that TB is a natural immune response, meaning it is a protective process aimed to produce homeostasis. A farmer recently told me something that I already knew, that all cows react to a skin test. Some cows react more than others. The only way a cow will not react to foreign matter, is if it is dead, meaning that the immune response no long works, or there is some form of immune system suppression taking place. I claim that the infectious 'science' is theoretical, not factual. I claim that we are caught in the theory, but this isnt the fact. I apologize for my comment, but when a member makes a joke of this issue, then he will only get what he deserves. Read the link below. It was a farmer who wrote this article. Now who is right, a farmer who defends a theory containing no fact, or a farmer who sees that an immune response is a sign of a healthy cow. I personally support Tim Green. You can support who you want, but this is not a laughing matter. John Wantling, Rochdale
Bovine TB, Badgers and a Permaculture Perspective
Tim Green
Wednesday, 17th August 2011
https://www.permaculture.co.uk/articles/1608111008/bovine-tb-badgers-and-permaculture-perspective

If your are supporting Tim Green you will have to do it from beyond the grave. He was a well informed cattle farmer and I fully agreed with much of what he had to say on the future of farming, but I cannot see how you think he was in anyway supporting your strange ideas.

 

[john.wantling]

You can spout as many of your cherished beliefs as you want, but if you were any sort of a decent bloke, you would delete that particularly offensive remark.

And if you were any sort of an 'expert' in the field, you would appreciate that we are legally obliged to have our reactors slaughtered, whether they have been newly infected or are simply showing an immune response.

thatlldaespot, this is what I cover, this immune response, the 'reactor cow'. I am saying that a 'reactor cow' is a healthy cow, not a sick cow. You farmers who believe in the 'science' that a 'reactor cow' is a sick cow have been terribly misled. Why resign yourselves to an academic fraud? I am saying that the conflicts of interest in academia has caused the slaughter of your healthy cows. It is so obvious that I find it hard to comprehend when you defend this quasi-science. I have summed it up in my recent letter to the Welsh government and to Professor Krebs. Read these two files, and then you might understand where I am coming from. I am a farmers best friend, but by default, you live in denial. You must have heard of Yuri Alexandrovich Bezmenov or Edward Bernays. Demoralization, destabilization, crisis, normalization. This is political propaganda, but in a similar sense, we are now normalized to a 'sick cow', but this 'sick cow' isnt sick. When you can understand this, you might change your world view or at least begin to realise that this fake science if full of fake heroes and fake role models. Like I say, we are wrapped up in a conditioned response. This conditioning, which we all defend, is our downfall. John Wantling, Rochdale
Destroying a society - 'Media Rapes your mind' - Yuri Bezmenov (former KGB agent)

 

[john.wantling]

If your are supporting Tim Green you will have to do it from beyond the grave. He was a well informed cattle farmer and I fully agreed with much of what he had to say on the future of farming, but I cannot see how you think he was in anyway supporting your strange ideas.

Much Spreader, then you must not have read his permaculture article.
He says this..."In contrast, the current official "test and cull" policy to deal with bovine TB in the UK has been most aptly described as "survival of the shittest". This is the process by which we slaughter any cow that shows signs of mounting an immune response to the TB pathogen, thus steadily removing those animals from the population that had the best chance of surviving infection.".
He does not go as far my writings, but he is/was on the right track. God bless Tim Green. John Wantling, Rochdale

 

[john.wantling]

I'm infected am I?
So there is such a thing as infection. You need to make your mind up.
So, if we didn't land on the moon, explain the reflectors placed on the moons surface that are used to bounce lasers off. We put them there. If we didn't land there, how did they get there?
Now, I guess you will start saying that they don't exist, I'm falling for the lies ( definately not falling for the utter rubbish you spout), etc etc, blah blah, but get yourself a telescope and go and study the moon on a clear night and you can see them. They exist, we put them there.

I have the number for your local mental health team, would you like me to PM it to you?

Storeman, go debate that with Andrew Johnson and Richard Hall and Bart Sibrel. Tell them that we landed on the moon. See what they say. I wish you all the luck in the world as you will need a plentiful supply. John Wantling, Rochdale
Astronauts Gone Wild

 

[Storeman]

Here you go John, Rochdale mental health crisis team, 01706 676100.
Get a grown up to help you use the phone.
Nothing to be scared of, they will help you with your many issues.

 

[Muck Spreader]

Much Spreader, then you must not have read his permaculture article.
He says this..."In contrast, the current official "test and cull" policy to deal with bovine TB in the UK has been most aptly described as "survival of the shittest". This is the process by which we slaughter any cow that shows signs of mounting an immune response to the TB pathogen, thus steadily removing those animals from the population that had the best chance of surviving infection.".
He does not go as far my writings, but he is/was on the right track. God bless Tim Green. John Wantling, Rochdale

I think you will find his argument is about the validity of the current testing method which many farmers on here would also question, rather than transmission vectors.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

What an utterly vile and despicable comment. I have been following this thread with a certain amount of wry amusement, but not any more. Spout controversial garbage if you must, Mr Wantling, but making deeply offensive remarks like this take your ignorance to a whole new level.

Yes, what an absolute ****wit.
Totally agree, pretty cool thing to say just coz the farmers he's lashing out at are snickering a bit louder at the plonker.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

thatlldaespot, with respect, my harsh remark was a response to a member of this group who seems to think it amusing when healthy cows are slaughtered. The point I make is to make you understand that the skin test actually causes TB. I also make it clear that TB is a natural immune response, meaning it is a protective process aimed to produce homeostasis. A farmer recently told me something that I already knew, that all cows react to a skin test. Some cows react more than others. The only way a cow will not react to foreign matter, is if it is dead, meaning that the immune response no long works, or there is some form of immune system suppression taking place. I claim that the infectious 'science' is theoretical, not factual. I claim that we are caught in the theory, but this isnt the fact. I apologize for my comment, but when a member makes a joke of this issue, then he will only get what he deserves. Read the link below. It was a farmer who wrote this article. Now who is right, a farmer who defends a theory containing no fact, or a farmer who sees that an immune response is a sign of a healthy cow. I personally support Tim Green. You can support who you want, but this is not a laughing matter. John Wantling, Rochdale
Bovine TB, Badgers and a Permaculture Perspective
Tim Green
Wednesday, 17th August 2011
https://www.permaculture.co.uk/articles/1608111008/bovine-tb-badgers-and-permaculture-perspective

With respect?
The point you make?
How come you completely disregard my earlier posts, where I showed the cow licking the possum in the paddock as it dies, and gave the facts of what was found upon PM. And yet in total ignorance of what's really happening in the world, you conclude that all farmers do is follow a lie, and you are the smart cookie to bring us the truth. You won't even acknowledge a truth when it's handed to you on your computer screen, because it doesn't fit with your own theories on tb testing methods and 'non-existent mode of transmission'.
rubbish. It's got us a long way in New Zealand, that is why it's easier to ignore and make stupidly insensitive remarks and obfuscate. Moon landings. Nuclear fallout. Part of history, just a convenient part.

 

[Exfarmer]

You should not be so hard on JW , he is a total prat who has just done some research on the internet. Unlike him there are many people out there making real money selling this sort of bilge to gullible fools .
We are fortunately able to see over this garbage, there are many on sites such as "informed parents" as JW mentioned following this rubbish and exposing their children to the insane gibberings of people like Patrick Quanten. Still Darwinism rules, but it will take time.

 

[Robigus]

DON'T FEED THE TROLL!
DON'T FEED THE TROLL!
DON'T FEED THE TROLL!

 

[john.wantling]

With respect?
The point you make?
How come you completely disregard my earlier posts, where I showed the cow licking the possum in the paddock as it dies, and gave the facts of what was found upon PM. And yet in total ignorance of what's really happening in the world, you conclude that all farmers do is follow a lie, and you are the smart cookie to bring us the truth. You won't even acknowledge a truth when it's handed to you on your computer screen, because it doesn't fit with your own theories on tb testing methods and 'non-existent mode of transmission'.
rubbish. It's got us a long way in New Zealand, that is why it's easier to ignore and make stupidly insensitive remarks and obfuscate. Moon landings. Nuclear fallout. Part of history, just a convenient part.

Kiwi Pete, the mode of transmission remains unknown. A cow licking a possum is meaningless. Like I say, if you have this mode of transmission, tell Professor Krebs, Macdonald, Woodroffe. They are still searching for it. This is an absolute fact, it is not a theory. You must also take into consideration that we are all heavily conditioned, but you farmers just cannot get your head around that. I offer endless examples, but you still dont see it, and that is the tragedy. All you do is slaughter more cows, slaughter more badgers, slaughter more possums, and that makes you happy. Are you making a monumental blunder? I believe that you are. I repeat, on this thread, I have found no compassion, no philosophy, no concern, no care, no transformation. You are conditioned to kill em all regardless that not one of you have the missing link, the mode of transmission. This is a monumental blunder in the making, there is no doubt about it. Because you do not like what I am saying, because you cannot face what I am saying, you call me names and then you all sing the same song. But at the end of the day, it is your loss, not mine. I say, care for the animals, do not kill them based on a barren theory. John Wantling, Rochdale
Miracle recovery for injured badger

 

[topground]

Transmission of pathogens

I am satisfied that the explanation of how disease is spread is by the following.
@john.wantling you have conveniently ignored previous posts which deal with the Broad Street pump and Thornbury badger cull, each of which provides conclusive evidence of the source of infection which when removed leads to the end of outbreaks of disease.
Instead of repeating your usual diatribe it would be useful if you would peovide some evidence to support your view.
In addition please set out which of the infections listed below you have suffered from during your lifetime and how, according to your theory, you came to suffer such an illness.

Microorganisms can be transmitted in two main ways: direct contact and indirect contact.

Direct contact
Direct contact means that the disease-causing microbe is passed from one person to another when their bodies touch in some way.

Vertical transmission happens when microorganisms pass from a mother to her unborn baby through the placenta. German measles and HIV can pass this way.

Horizontal transmission happens when microorganisms pass from one person to another by touching, kissing or sexual intercourse.

Examples of horizontal transmission
type of contact bacterial disease viral disease
touching bacterial gastroenteritis chickenpox
kissing bacterial meningitis glandular fever, cold sores
sexual intercourse gonorrhoea, syphilis HIV, hepatitis B
Indirect contact
Indirect contact happens when microorganisms are carried to a person in some way, instead of by actual body to body contact.

Vehicle-borne transmission involves an object carrying the disease-causing microorganism.

Examples of vehicle-bourne transmission
vehicle bacterial disease viral disease
droplets in the air tuberculosis (TB) colds, flu
water cholera polio
sharp objects tetanus HIV
food Salmonella food poisoning hepatitis A
Vector-borne transmission involves an animal such as an insect. For example, malaria is transmitted by mosquitoes and plague by fleas.

 

[Storeman]

You think this is bad, you should see his FaceBook page.
He has told all his FaceBook 'friends' that he is trying to 'educate' farmers on an ag forum, but we are all to stupid and brainwashed to listen to him.
One of his FaceBook 'friends' mentioned that the farmers who own the fields around his house are constantly spraying organophosphates over everything, JW replies that that is what farmers do, destroy the environment because they don't understand it.

Just in case the Rochdale one missed it earlier, here's that number again 01706 676100. They can help you John, give them a call.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Kiwi Pete, the mode of transmission remains unknown. A cow licking a possum is meaningless. Like I say, if you have this mode of transmission, tell Professor Krebs, Macdonald, Woodroffe. They are still searching for it. This is an absolute fact, it is not a theory. You must also take into consideration that we are all heavily conditioned, but you farmers just cannot get your head around that. I offer endless examples, but you still dont see it, and that is the tragedy. All you do is slaughter more cows, slaughter more badgers, slaughter more possums, and that makes you happy. Are you making a monumental blunder? I believe that you are. I repeat, on this thread, I have found no compassion, no philosophy, no concern, no care, no transformation. You are conditioned to kill em all regardless that not one of you have the missing link, the mode of transmission. This is a monumental blunder in the making, there is no doubt about it. Because you do not like what I am saying, because you cannot face what I am saying, you call me names and then you all sing the same song. But at the end of the day, it is your loss, not mine. I say, care for the animals, do not kill them based on a barren theory. John Wantling, Rochdale
Miracle recovery for injured badger

Wow! another great sidestep, so how is this tb now so well controlled here? I don't need another diatribe, please, just some insight on how it could be possible.. if you're able to do that?
I suspect you can't offer too much that you haven't already brought to the table, that was why I asked the question.