Infectious disease, including TB

[Kiwi Pete]

Perhaps they could experiment with 'new collection methods at the beehive'

 

[john.wantling]

So, tell me, is pasturisation a waste of time?

Our milk supplies contain waste matter and pesticides, and probably radioactive fallout? Have you got a shred of evidence for these claims? I find claims that the government and food standards agency are allowing food materials containing any of the listed contaminants into the food chain very dubious indeed. Should I write to my MP you think?

And anyway, how are these problems causing TB in badgers?

ollie989898, I am saying that TB is poison-related, and so if an animal has TB, and I dont mean in theory with no signs or symptoms, or through a pointless skin test translated into infectious language, then it would be wise to call in a toxicologist to discover any toxins that exist in that animal's environment. Pesticides are one possibility, pollution is another, or even medications that have been administered to the cow etc. All these things need looking at. Now why is the toxicologist never invited to the infectious party? This is all about the protection of the poison industries because the infectious model must be defended at all costs. But you see, when we are oblivious to these things and when we have been conditioned for a hundred years, then we will never see it or even accept it. Someone points out these harsh realities and that person will be trashed. This is all part of the conditioned response and the defense of a dogma. Basically, we have all been stitched up, but no one can possibly accept this. This is the power of industry, the power of government propaganda. Sad as it may seem, we are all victims. John Wantling, Rochdale

 

[Wellytrack]

Oh oh.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38918010



Here comes the bTB

 

[john.wantling]

FFS, we have no nuclear power stations down here, hence your quote is irrelivant.

FonterraFarmer, not irrelevant, because if you remember Chernobyl, that was in Russia, but the UK still suffered from nuclear fall out. A russian woman I know, she had a white coat on her washing line, The day after it was all black. She did not understand why. Please, wake up from you deep nuclear sleep. John Wantling, Rochdale

 

[john.wantling]

Oh oh.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38918010



Here comes the bTB

Wellytrack, stop watching the BBC. They say, no nuclear risk, no contamination, no danger, no problem. You believe in everything they say. This is pure unadulterated propaganda, and you just can't see it. John Wantling, Rochdale
BREAKING: "France Nuclear Plant Explosion"

 

[john.wantling]

My recent letter to the Badger Trust & the Welsh government is on this link. Today a new email to Professor John Krebs. A Todmorden farmer's letter should follow in a day or two. Good feedback from the 'Save Me Trust'. That makes a change. I sent 45x emails to various staff at the NFU. Not one reply. That tells its own story. Their heads buried deep in the sand, defending the infectious myth. They focus on the wrong bacteria and then believe that they can understand TB. There is no chance of that ever happening. Science stagnates, and then yet another Parliamentary debate and then another bTB symposium, all based on the wrong model. You could not make this up if you tried. On this thread, we all nod our heads. No one can detect a hint of propaganda. We mindlessly believe everything that we hear. A conditioned response on a mass scale. We all sing the same song. The healthy cow is now a 'sick cow'. Let's blame a badger for making it theoretically sick, but it isnt sick, it is healthy. Very strange goings-on. You farmers, you are easy meat. John Wantling, Rochdale http://www.whale.to/a/wantling_h.html

 

[Storeman]

Oh bloody hell. Here we go again.

 

[linga]

Oh bloody hell. Here we go again.

It's ok. I feel sure he is going to bring some evidence for his ideas this time.

 

[FonterraFarmer]

FonterraFarmer, not irrelevant, because if you remember Chernobyl, that was in Russia, but the UK still suffered from nuclear fall out. A russian woman I know, she had a white coat on her washing line, The day after it was all black. She did not understand why. Please, wake up from you deep nuclear sleep. John Wantling, Rochdale

We are nuclear free down here, and have been for years, hence thats the reason why over the same period TB has dropped dramatically. Not our fault that the UK or EU doesn't follow our example!!!
Oh the posts on this forum on Saturday mornning.

 

[topground]

Where has our resident alternative scientist with no evidence to support his claims been since February 7th?
Answers on a postcard supplied by the Flat Earth Society please.

 

[john.wantling]

It's ok. I feel sure he is going to bring some evidence for his ideas this time.

Linga, I have offered you a pot of gold, but you wont take it. You want me to do your thinking for you, whilst you defend the indefensible. Teacher in school teaches the children from an infectious book. The children take it in, the infectious program is installed into their brains. The book is a fraud, but no one can see it. So the children all grow up and believe in this book. This is what has happened, we all have faith in that infectious book, but there is something wrong, no mode of transmission. This wantling fellow points this out, he says that the scientific experiment has failed. He asks, why place your faith in a failed experiment? You laugh in his face. But why do you think that there is a parliamentary bTB debate due in March, followed by a symposium? The reason is because they are still trying to make sense out of the senseless. They have had endless debates in the past, but they can never solve anything when they focus on the wrong (environmental) bacteria. They cannot solve a thing whilst they deny the internal metamorphosis. This wantling fellow points this out, but no one can possible imagine in their wildest dreams that he is right. I suggest you stand outside Imperial College and pat all the theoreticians on the back when they enter. Prostrate yourself and thank them for dreaming up a science that slaughters your animals that remain healthy. At the end of the day, I may be as mad as a hatter, but its your cows that are being slaughtered. John Wantling, Rochdale

 

[Bury the Trash]

where is @cowgirl95 when you need her......

 

[john.wantling]

Where has our resident alternative scientist with no evidence to support his claims been since February 7th?
Answers on a postcard supplied by the Flat Earth Society please.

topground, I do have a life. I have just posted a link to my email to Professor Krebs, and soon in a day or two, a letter to a Todmorden farmer who I was recently talking to. He was hard work, reminds me of you farmers, heavily conditioned to self destruct. I have been posting on a thread on the Informed Parent group. It's about disease - the infectious myth. You can get a bit more sense out of that group. Mind you, even they are hard work. They just need a bit of encouragement to see that their thoughts are conditioned, culminating in the falsification of history. Still, its nice of you to admit that you are missing my comments. That is very kind of you. John Wantling, Rochdale

 

[Storeman]

Where has our resident alternative scientist with no evidence to support his claims been since February 7th?
Answers on a postcard supplied by the Flat Earth Society please.

I guess he was having his medication doses adjusted.
It doesn't seem to have worked.

 

[john.wantling]

I guess he was having his medication doses adjusted.
It doesn't seem to have worked.

Storeman, like I say, you don't want to do your own work. You always want to follow the leader, whilst you fall asleep. I have sent Professor Krebs a letter, but no one can possibly believe what I am saying. Professor Krebs has his own conflicts of interest that prevent him from seeing clearly. Under these circumstance, that we all deny, he may well support a 'science' that makes grand assumptions, based on theory minus fact. You farmers are easy meat, you will absorb anything that academia says, you follow like lost sheep. You say, academia cannot possibly make a mistake, but underneath we all know that they have made a mistake but no one can say that because it is a taboo. If we say that, we will be finished, an outcast, mad as a hatter. You create your own world. I point out these harsh realities that you cannot ever face. John Wantling, Rochdale

 

[john.wantling]

It's ok. I feel sure he is going to bring some evidence for his ideas this time.

Linga, we pick up a newspaper and we watch the BBC news which says that a little girl in Portugal is kidnapped. We believe what we are being told, but this is media hype. We all believe that this hype is true, we all feel sorry for the parents. The police focus upon the kidnap theory, the investigation costs millions of pounds. But then someone makes a film that says that the girl was never kidnapped, that she died in the apartment. Now we have a different story, so what do we do? Do we defend the hype, which we see as real, which is our knowledge, which is a historic 'fact', or do we take a look at this other theory. If we defend the hype, then we will be wrong if the different story happens to be real. This means that we need to put our thinking caps on, which is what Wendy Murphy has done. This means we need to look at the evidence. When we follow the leader, we will be lost. We need to ask ourselves, do we follow, because if we do, then our thoughts (science) will be based upon something that isn't true. Now we have to apply those same rules to bovine TB. We have the hype, but we now have a different story that explains the hype. But no one wants to hear that different story. That is a big problem. Self-deception based on bad science is now ruling the waves. This is the falsification of history. John Wantling, Rochdale
McCLIP - Wendy Murphy Former US Prosecutor "I'm not buying it.."

 

[Kiwi Pete]

So if, and from NZ it's a very big if, IF this academia and infectious thinking is wrong, how did our tb controls prove so effective here?
(Sorry UK farmers, I'm definitely not saying that to rub salt in)
We based our control methods on the very 'assumptions' that are being discredited here, and it worked.. worked well in fact.
Therefore I can only draw one conclusion, until I get hard facts that we simply got lucky and eliminated the right animals purely by chance?
It's not a case of what I believe, you see; it is a case of what has been proven to work, across species and across decades. I'll believe anything that you can prove, which is why the local vegan movement don't appreciate my response anymore, because they have a great vision that farmed animals aren't needed. Great idea, but they can't prove it would work, without the net protein gains that livestock give us.
Sorry to veer from the topic.

 

[linga]

Linga, I have offered you a pot of gold, but you wont take it. You want me to do your thinking for you, whilst you defend the indefensible. Teacher in school teaches the children from an infectious book. The children take it in, the infectious program is installed into their brains. The book is a fraud, but no one can see it. So the children all grow up and believe in this book. This is what has happened, we all have faith in that infectious book, but there is something wrong, no mode of transmission. This wantling fellow points this out, he says that the scientific experiment has failed. He asks, why place your faith in a failed experiment? You laugh in his face. But why do you think that there is a parliamentary bTB debate due in March, followed by a symposium? The reason is because they are still trying to make sense out of the senseless. They have had endless debates in the past, but they can never solve anything when they focus on the wrong (environmental) bacteria. They cannot solve a thing whilst they deny the internal metamorphosis. This wantling fellow points this out, but no one can possible imagine in their wildest dreams that he is right. I suggest you stand outside Imperial College and pat all the theoreticians on the back when they enter. Prostrate yourself and thank them for dreaming up a science that slaughters your animals that remain healthy. At the end of the day, I may be as mad as a hatter, but its your cows that are being slaughtered. John Wantling, Rochdale

I don't want you to do my thinking for me thank you very much.
I am asking you to provide evidence to substantiate your claims.
You bring none other than the mode of transmission fancy you have.
With a giant leap one might dismiss "germ theory" using that argument( despite all the evidence) but that does not prove your claim one bit.
So bring the evidence

 

[linga]

Linga, we pick up a newspaper and we watch the BBC news which says that a little girl in Portugal is kidnapped. We believe what we are being told, but this is media hype. We all believe that this hype is true, we all feel sorry for the parents. The police focus upon the kidnap theory, the investigation costs millions of pounds. But then someone makes a film that says that the girl was never kidnapped, that she died in the apartment. Now we have a different story, so what do we do? Do we defend the hype, which we see as real, which is our knowledge, which is a historic 'fact', or do we take a look at this other theory. If we defend the hype, then we will be wrong if the different story happens to be real. This means that we need to put our thinking caps on, which is what Wendy Murphy has done. This means we need to look at the evidence. When we follow the leader, we will be lost. We need to ask ourselves, do we follow, because if we do, then our thoughts (science) will be based upon something that isn't true. Now we have to apply those same rules to bovine TB. We have the hype, but we now have a different story that explains the hype. But no one wants to hear that different story. That is a big problem. Self-deception based on bad science is now ruling the waves. This is the falsification of history. John Wantling, Rochdale
McCLIP - Wendy Murphy Former US Prosecutor "I'm not buying it.."

Yes but you have no evidence

 

[matthew]

So if, and from NZ it's a very big if, IF this academia and infectious thinking is wrong, how did our tb controls prove so effective here?
(Sorry UK farmers, I'm definitely not saying that to rub salt in)
We based our control methods on the very 'assumptions' that are being discredited here, and it worked.. worked well in fact.

They worked well here too. The problem became political when lobby money outstripped common sense.
There's more votes in a dead badger than a dead cow.