Infectious disease, including TB

[Storeman]

Storeman, like I say, you don't want to do your own work. You always want to follow the leader, whilst you fall asleep. I have sent Professor Krebs a letter, but no one can possibly believe what I am saying. Professor Krebs has his own conflicts of interest that prevent him from seeing clearly. Under these circumstance, that we all deny, he may well support a 'science' that makes grand assumptions, based on theory minus fact. You farmers are easy meat, you will absorb anything that academia says, you follow like lost sheep. You say, academia cannot possibly make a mistake, but underneath we all know that they have made a mistake but no one can say that because it is a taboo. If we say that, we will be finished, an outcast, mad as a hatter. You create your own world. I point out these harsh realities that you cannot ever face. John Wantling, Rochdale

So, you say we are wrong and that there is no such thing as infection. We have been blindly led up a both of incorrect science that is just a theory. Thing is, infection DOES exist, it is not a theory, it has been known about for hundreds of years. The history of the world is intertwined with the impact that infectious diseases have had on populations. Evidence of smallpox has been found in 3000-year-old Egyptian mummies. Egyptian papyrus paintings depict infectious diseases such as poliomyelitis. Hippocrates wrote about the spread of disease by means of airs, water, and places. Investigators described miasmas as the source of infections. Fracastoro discussed the germ theory in the 1500s and three routes of contagion were proposed—direct contact, fomites, and contagion from a distance (airborne). Epidemics of leprosy, plague, syphilis, smallpox, cholera, yellow fever, typhoid fever, and other infectious diseases were the norm.

Just because you don't believe it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Science proves it does. If you can't understand this, then it is you that has a problem, not the rest of us.

You say that there is no known mode of transmission, so therefore no such thing as infection. Yet you have no proof of your ramblings on the subject, so if we apply your 'logic', you are also wrong.

Take gravity. Is it a particle? We don't know. Is it a wave? Again, we don't know. Now, going with your reasoning, if we don't know, it can't exist. But, gravity does exist (I wouldn't be surprised if you deny the existence of gravity).

You claim the experts have 'made a mistake', but have no proof whatsoever of this mistake. It is you that can't face the realities, you are the outcast, you are as mad as a hatter.
You need to face up to the fact that anyone with an ounce of intelligence is laughing at you John. You are just a rambling conspiracy theorist, who has no knowledge of the science you are trying to debunk. You have no known mode of intelligence.
Just thought I'd point out these harsh realities that you cannot face or accept.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

They worked well here too. The problem became political when lobby money outstripped common sense.
There's more votes in a dead badger than a dead cow.

Fortunately the number of kiwis interested in keeping wild pigs and possums happy are quite few. Unlike Mr Badger.

 

[john.wantling]

So, you say we are wrong and that there is no such thing as infection. We have been blindly led up a both of incorrect science that is just a theory. Thing is, infection DOES exist, it is not a theory, it has been known about for hundreds of years. The history of the world is intertwined with the impact that infectious diseases have had on populations. Evidence of smallpox has been found in 3000-year-old Egyptian mummies. Egyptian papyrus paintings depict infectious diseases such as poliomyelitis. Hippocrates wrote about the spread of disease by means of airs, water, and places. Investigators described miasmas as the source of infections. Fracastoro discussed the germ theory in the 1500s and three routes of contagion were proposed—direct contact, fomites, and contagion from a distance (airborne). Epidemics of leprosy, plague, syphilis, smallpox, cholera, yellow fever, typhoid fever, and other infectious diseases were the norm.
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Storeman, the diseases that you list, smallpox, cholera, typhoid, plague... These are all filth diseases. They spread through filth entering the system. The point being, they do not spread from person to person; the filth infects or poisons the individual, meaning one at a time. Those folk who did not drink cholera water and who were not polluted or contaminated by filth, did not get sick. The rules have not changed from the beginning of mankind. They did not 'catch' cholera from breathing in and breathing out. Therefore, these filth epidemics were just that, epidemics based on internal pollution. On another group, a woman was saying that as a young girl, she shared a small bedroom with two younger sisters. They both developed whooping cough, one had it more mild than the other. But she never developed it herself despite sleeping in the same room night after night and obviously in close contact during the day. If whooping cough is infectious, then clearly she would have 'caught' it, but she did not. This means that if we sleep in the same bed with a plague victim, we will not suffer from plague assuming that we are not polluted by filth.

You say infection exists, but I claim that this is internal, not an external phenomena. You say that Hippocrates wrote about the spread of disease by means of airs and water, which I would translate into water pollution and air pollution. You say that investigators described miasmas as the source of infections, but miasma was a disease theory based on smell, which tells me that the air was polluted. Once more, the idea of 'infectious' disease was assumed, just like the spread of TB is assumed. Mode of transmission still remains unknown. Professor Woodroffe is still searching for it but she will never find it. - a pointless pursuit. Not one academic or scientist, even in New Zealand has ever found it. The word 'unknown' means exactly that. It does not mean that it exists. Sadly, we have made a human error, we have conjured up a belief that it does exist regardless that not one human on the planet has ever found it. I repeat, if you have found it, then you will be the most famous and celebrated person in the world. An invitation from the Queen of England. Has this happened? No, it has not, and what is more, it will never happen because you will never find something that does not exist. John Wantling, Rochdale

 

[linga]

Storeman, the diseases that you list, smallpox, cholera, typhoid, plague... These are all filth diseases. They spread through filth entering the system. The point being, they do not spread from person to person; the filth infects or poisons the individual, meaning one at a time. Those folk who did not drink cholera water and who were not polluted or contaminated by filth, did not get sick. The rules have not changed from the beginning of mankind. They did not 'catch' cholera from breathing in and breathing out. Therefore, these filth epidemics were just that, epidemics based on internal pollution. On another group, a woman was saying that as a young girl, she shared a small bedroom with two younger sisters. They both developed whooping cough, one had it more mild than the other. But she never developed it herself despite sleeping in the same room night after night and obviously in close contact during the day. If whooping cough is infectious, then clearly she would have 'caught' it, but she did not. This means that if we sleep in the same bed with a plague victim, we will not suffer from plague assuming that we are not polluted by filth.

You say infection exists, but I claim that this is internal, not an external phenomena. You say that Hippocrates wrote about the spread of disease by means of airs and water, which I would translate into water pollution and air pollution. You say that investigators described miasmas as the source of infections, but miasma was a disease theory based on smell, which tells me that the air was polluted. Once more, the idea of 'infectious' disease was assumed, just like the spread of TB is assumed. Mode of transmission still remains unknown. Professor Woodroffe is still searching for it but she will never find it. - a pointless pursuit. Not one academic or scientist, even in New Zealand has ever found it. The word 'unknown' means exactly that. It does not mean that it exists. Sadly, we have made a human error, we have conjured up a belief that it does exist regardless that not one human on the planet has ever found it. I repeat, if you have found it, then you will be the most famous and celebrated person in the world. An invitation from the Queen of England. Has this happened? No, it has not, and what is more, it will never happen because you will never find something that does not exist. John Wantling, Rochdale

No, they spread by bacteria entering the system.
You have no evidence to support your arguments at all.
You are in fact making it all up.
When you provide some sort of evidence for your claims then someone will listen to you until that time you are just living in cloud cuckoo land

 

[Y Fan Wen]

"a letter to a Todmorden farmer who I was recently talking to. He was hard work, reminds me of you farmers, heavily conditioned to self destruct. I have been posting on a thread on the Informed Parent group. It's about disease - the infectious myth."

Uh, ohh, I thought when I read this. Had a look on google and found this;

so all is well in la la land.
Anybody admitting to being the Todmorden farmer?

 

[Muck Spreader]

Storeman, the diseases that you list, smallpox, cholera, typhoid, plague... These are all filth diseases. They spread through filth entering the system. The point being, they do not spread from person to person; the filth infects or poisons the individual, meaning one at a time. Those folk who did not drink cholera water and who were not polluted or contaminated by filth, did not get sick. The rules have not changed from the beginning of mankind. They did not 'catch' cholera from breathing in and breathing out. Therefore, these filth epidemics were just that, epidemics based on internal pollution. On another group, a woman was saying that as a young girl, she shared a small bedroom with two younger sisters. They both developed whooping cough, one had it more mild than the other. But she never developed it herself despite sleeping in the same room night after night and obviously in close contact during the day. If whooping cough is infectious, then clearly she would have 'caught' it, but she did not. This means that if we sleep in the same bed with a plague victim, we will not suffer from plague assuming that we are not polluted by filth.

You say infection exists, but I claim that this is internal, not an external phenomena. You say that Hippocrates wrote about the spread of disease by means of airs and water, which I would translate into water pollution and air pollution. You say that investigators described miasmas as the source of infections, but miasma was a disease theory based on smell, which tells me that the air was polluted. Once more, the idea of 'infectious' disease was assumed, just like the spread of TB is assumed. Mode of transmission still remains unknown. Professor Woodroffe is still searching for it but she will never find it. - a pointless pursuit. Not one academic or scientist, even in New Zealand has ever found it. The word 'unknown' means exactly that. It does not mean that it exists. Sadly, we have made a human error, we have conjured up a belief that it does exist regardless that not one human on the planet has ever found it. I repeat, if you have found it, then you will be the most famous and celebrated person in the world. An invitation from the Queen of England. Has this happened? No, it has not, and what is more, it will never happen because you will never find something that does not exist. John Wantling, Rochdale

There is no such thing as filth, only bacterial or viral contamination.

 

[FonterraFarmer]

Fortunately the number of kiwis interested in keeping wild pigs and possums happy are quite few. Unlike Mr Badger.

Even children take vector control of possums seriously.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Even children take vector control of possums seriously.

It's the only thing that gets mr7y.o. out of the house in a hurry, when he sees me mixing bait at the bench.. birthday tomorrow, all he wants is some flying contraption from hot wheels, more possum traps, and his own hammer

 

[john.wantling]

No, they spread by bacteria entering the system.
You have no evidence to support your arguments at all.
You are in fact making it all up.
When you provide some sort of evidence for your claims then someone will listen to you until that time you are just living in cloud cuckoo land

Linga, I agree with you, bacteria/poison entering the system. The is what I call 'filth'. This is what I said, that filth has to enter the body to come down with filth diseases. A couple of quotes here.....

“Only four other houses, just around the corner in Albion Street, received the same water as Albion Terrace, but three of these had stood empty for months, and the fourth was occupied by a man who had always suspected the water and never drank it. Thomas Harrison had complained a lot about the taste of the water that summer, and on the day that Mrs Harrison and Mrs Edwards died, he told the cook to throw the tea away and get some more water from the other side of the main road. The cook, the only survivor at number 6, said that she herself had `grumbled and growled' about the water, and refused to drink it.”
The Medical Detective by Sandra Hempel Granta Books 2006

“Second, whatever caused the disease - the cholera 'poison' - must be entering the body through the alimentary canal; in other words, it had to be swallowed. This was, clear from its mode of action, for those terrible, now only too-familiar first symptoms - 'the violent vomiting and diarrhoea - affected the digestive system alone.”
The Medical Detective by Sandra Hempel Granta Books 2006

The infection that happens within the body is real, but to assume that we can 'catch' a filth disease through breathing in and breathing out is a pipedream. If cholera was infectious, the cook would also get sick, but she was healthy because she did not drink the filthy water. So, that says one thing, cholera was a contamination/poison disease, not a disease that can spread through breathing in and breathing out.

TB is a little different as this is an immune response to an external stress such as a poisonous environment. It is this poisonous environment that is the issue, not the TB, which is trying to protect the body, or to create homeostasis. This is very simple to understand, but not if we have installed an 'infectious' program into our brains. Then we defend that program, the science is dead and stagnant, just like the Thames water full of filth. Drink this filthy water, get a filth disease. ABC, easy to understand. John Wantling, Rochdale

 

[FonterraFarmer]

It's the only thing that gets mr7y.o. out of the house in a hurry, when he sees me mixing bait at the bench.. birthday tomorrow, all he wants is some flying contraption from hot wheels, more possum traps, and his own hammer

 

[john.wantling]

"a letter to a Todmorden farmer who I was recently talking to. He was hard work, reminds me of you farmers, heavily conditioned to self destruct. I have been posting on a thread on the Informed Parent group. It's about disease - the infectious myth."

Uh, ohh, I thought when I read this. Had a look on google and found this;
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so all is well in la la land.
Anybody admitting to being the Todmorden farmer?

This reminds me of a recent case when mourners were attending a funeral. They said that the poor fellow that had died was last seen at the doctor's surgery waiting for his flu shot. Not the first time that has happened. You keep having you shots, you take the risk. Is flu infectious, not really, but it is theoretically, but dont let that stop you. John Wantling, Rochdale

 

[john.wantling]

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A very childish, immature and mindless comment. Now how old are you? Your comment suggests about three years old, or perhaps too much cider for breakfast. John Wantling, Rochdale

 

[Storeman]

A very childish, immature and mindless comment. Now how old are you? Your comment suggests about three years old, or perhaps too much cider for breakfast. John Wantling, Rochdale

Oh dear! And from someone who won't except proven science.
Yes, I'm a very advanced three year old. An absolute whizz on Photoshop, and other software. Also do IT support. Not bad for one so young.
Hit a nerve there, I reckon.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Oh dear! And from someone who won't except proven science.
Yes, I'm a very advanced three year old. An absolute whizz on Photoshop, and other software. Also do IT support. Not bad for one so young.
Hit a nerve there, I reckon.

Coming from someone who's been going around in circles for... how many hundred posts...?
I'm still waiting for comment as to why this 'false infectious theory' has been working since before modern medicine- across countries, across species, if it's so false, why does it work? Why has it worked?
Why do we quarantine?

Maybe I start name-calling??

 

[Storeman]

Coming from someone who's been going around in circles for... how many hundred posts...?
I'm still waiting for comment as to why this 'false infectious theory' has been working since before modern medicine- across countries, across species, if it's so false, why does it work? Why has it worked?
Why do we quarantine?

Maybe I start name-calling??

I know, it's hilarious isn't it.
Oh, and you will be waiting a long time for him to answer, he doesn't have one. Like most of his sort, present them with some facts and they handily ignore you. Or, use some nonsensical words in a rambling sentence that makes no sense whatsoever.

Finding a photo of him using image search and Photoshopping it seems to rile him. I must try it again.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Did you just photoshop out the flagon of Badger piddle and replace it with a certificate? Clever.
Edit:
My 3 year old can't use photoshop, but he knows to cover his mouth when he's sick...

 

[Storeman]

Did you just photoshop out the flagon of Badger piddle and replace it with a certificate? Clever.
Edit:
My 3 year old can't use photoshop, but he knows to cover his mouth when he's sick...

The original was in fact an image of a badger. Replaced it with something more fitting.

 

[Robigus]

This reminds me of a recent case when mourners were attending a funeral. They said that the poor fellow that had died was last seen at the doctor's surgery waiting for his flu shot. Not the first time that has happened. You keep having you shots, you take the risk. Is flu infectious, not really, but it is theoretically, but dont let that stop you. John Wantling, Rochdale

 

[john.wantling]

Oh dear! And from someone who won't except proven science.
Yes, I'm a very advanced three year old. An absolute whizz on Photoshop, and other software. Also do IT support. Not bad for one so young.
Hit a nerve there, I reckon.

Storeman, I repeat, it's your healthy cows that are being slaughtered, and its you who defend the thinking that supports that. There is a saying, you get what you deserve. Have a good laugh when your precious cows are off to the knackers yard. I was once talking to a woman. I was telling her how you farmers slaughter your healthy cows. She couldn't believe it! I said, that is exactly what they do, its called good old-fashioned science. Of course, based on theory, not fact. Don't forget, you still have no mode of transmission, still assumed, never found. I suggest you contact Professor Woodroffe and beg her to tell you when she has eventually found it, but of course, you will have a long long wait. I fear that she will never find it. In fact, I know that she will never find it, unless of course, through a theory, not a fact. These theoreticians, they are wonderful people, they can conjure up anything and we all follow like lost sheep. Self destruction guaranteed. So the next time a farmer sees his precious cows being slaughtered on the basis of a fraudulent 'skin test', and that farmer is on the verge of suicide, you ask him out, have a good laugh about it all. That's the way to do it. John Wantling, Rochdale

 

[thatlldaespot]

So the next time a farmer sees his precious cows being slaughtered on the basis of a fraudulent 'skin test', and that farmer is on the verge of suicide, you ask him out, have a good laugh about it all. That's the way to do it. John Wantling, Rochdale

What an utterly vile and despicable comment. I have been following this thread with a certain amount of wry amusement, but not any more. Spout controversial garbage if you must, Mr Wantling, but making deeply offensive remarks like this take your ignorance to a whole new level.