Interest in electric cars slumps by 2/3 rds

[Clive]

You calling him a liar then.

Living with a Mini Electric for six months was fun, and I became fond of the car. The main drawback was my lack of home-charging capability. I live in a middle terrace without parking outside my house, and no way of fitting a wallbox. To charge the car, I needed to negotiate times with my neighbours that I could block their path and snake a lead through the kitchen window or letterbox into my kitchen or hallway. Charging through a three-pin plug is a process that takes more or less a full working day. Less of an issue while working from home in lockdown but a tricky hurdle otherwise. As a result, I would often avoid driving the car the day before a big trip to ensure I could start my journey on 100% battery, and that impacted my day-to-day life. On big motorway journeys, the car’s relatively low range meant I would need to plan ahead to use public charge points

if he maintains it took him 5hrs to add 144 miles on a public dc charger then YES he is either a liar or a person of VERY low IQ

 

[Clive]

Is there only 1 fuel station ? You've gone to the expense of a home charger for ev but not a fuel tank for ice.
Not really comparing like with like then is it.

where does your man living in a mid terrace with no parking site his diesel tank


oh and all that capital required to buy and fill it

Diesel tanks are for the rich

 

[Magnus Oyke]

I can’t see that being a problem, to be honest. 200 miles there is easy, a quick 15 minutes for a top up on the way back would get you home no bother too. There’s very few parts of the country where you’re not heading past a charger at some point. Although I do understand your hesitancy.

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says here, a Nissan Leaf has a 239 mile range, which will be at best, so 180 in reality? And I can quick charge the balance of the round trip in 15 minutes?

 

[Clive]

RFL will probably be per mile charged in the future for all cars

the anpr systems are mostly in place already - or we will all have insurance style black boxes recording miles payg

 

[Magnus Oyke]

where does your man living in a mid terrace with no parking site his diesel tank


oh and all that capital required to buy and fill it

Diesel tanks are for the rich

The mid terrance car owner doesn't need to store fuel at home, he/she/they/them just fill up in a couple of minutes at the filling station like they've always done

 

[Highland Mule]

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says here, a Nissan Leaf has a 239 mile range, which will be at best, so 180 in reality? And I can quick charge the balance of the round trip in 15 minutes?

You’ve picked a particularly poor example there. Plenty with real world 250, cited 300. Just find one that’s compatible with the newest high power chargers.

 

[Highland Mule]

The mid terrance car owner doesn't need to store fuel at home, he/she/they/them just fill up in a couple of minutes at the filling station like they've always done

It would be nice to have the choice though, wouldn’t it?

 

[Dave645]

If you divide my annual mileage by 365, apart from asking why I even need a car, you'd say an electric car would meet my needs, and for the most part it would. Most of my trips are local and around town, so an EV would be pretty much perfect. But... it's a 400 mile round trip to my family, mum and dad have no charging facility and I might want/need to get there and back in a day. I've done well over 1,000 miles on holiday road trips in a week, more on the bike, which was a challenge... It's not the average demand, it's the peak demand, and currently, and electric car just can't do the occasional peak demand without considerable planning and frankly, ball ache. As I've said up thread, they need a realistic 600 mile range if it's going to take all night to put 300 miles in, but that's going to come at a huge cost a weight penalty

yes I understand, that is what everyone worries about away from home charging for the long day trips, to leave a nice conservatively safe range when you get home you would need to add at some point 180-200miles of range back to your car.

20%-80% charges in most good ev's are rapid and under 30 mins. on a 300 mile range ev that's a 180 miles range boost in under 30 mins, on a basic meal stop.
https://pod-point.com/guides/vehicles/tesla/2022/model-y

ok a level 3 charger with a tesla model Y, you can do your needed charge in 20 mins.


cars like a tesla have sat navs routes with charge stops designed in, there are also apps to do similar on phones if you own another brand.
tesla can monitor how busy there charge stations are, and re route you so your expected wait to charge is reduced if trying to charge at busy times.
it was in that tesla investor day video, I shared. a bit like google maps gets traffic updates so do tesla cars that need a recharge stop, they can redirect you to less busy charge locations.

its a common mistake to think ev's need 600 mile ranges, the disadvantages of the bigger pack out way the advantage of the larger range. its unlikely we will see them soon, if they do they will have high price tags and lots of compromises, from there extra weight.

charge times at the different rates.

i do agree long trips are made difficult by the poor charging network in the uk.
but I would download an charging app https://www.zap-map.com/app/ and run your mum and dads route into it with a ev car of your choice and see what it tells you about charging options.
as for holidays again your limited to fast charging, and its availability in the area you visit, I cannot say that it will simple and without problems. but the apps can help as they list charge station health on the better ones.

I did suggest farmers with good locations for charge stations and solar, could take advantage of a non passing visitor. one that will stay for 20 mins or more.
add a farm shop and coffee shop, in a nice touristy area could be a win. ideally 50kw chargers or better.



if you want extreme then this guy did 90k in a year in a model 3 and had only slow home charging.

 

[Clive]

The mid terrance car owner doesn't need to store fuel at home, he/she/they/them just fill up in a couple of minutes at the filling station like they've always done

bit like filling up with electricity in the future then really I guess ?

 

[Clive]

yes I understand, that is what everyone worries about away from home charging for the long day trips, to leave a nice conservatively safe range when you get home you would need to add at some point 180-200miles of range back to your car.

20%-80% charges in most good ev's are rapid and under 30 mins. on a 300 mile range ev that's a 180 miles range boost in under 30 mins, on a basic meal stop.
https://pod-point.com/guides/vehicles/tesla/2022/model-y

ok a level 3 charger with a tesla model Y, you can do your needed charge in 20 mins.


cars like a tesla have sat navs routes with charge stops designed in, there are also apps to do similar on phones if you own another brand.
tesla can monitor how busy there charge stations are, and re route you so your expected wait to charge is reduced if trying to charge at busy times.
it was in that tesla investor day video, I shared. a bit like google maps gets traffic updates so do tesla cars that need a recharge stop, they can redirect you to less busy charge locations.

its a common mistake to think ev's need 600 mile ranges, the disadvantages of the bigger pack out way the advantage of the larger range. its unlikely we will see them soon, if they do they will have high price tags and lots of compromises, from there extra weight.

charge times at the different rates.

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i do agree long trips are made difficult by the poor charging network in the uk.
but I would download an charging app https://www.zap-map.com/app/ and run your mum and dads route into it with a ev car of your choice and see what it tells you about charging options.
as for holidays again your limited to fast charging, and its availability in the area you visit, I cannot say that it will simple and without problems. but the apps can help as they list charge station health on the better ones.

I did suggest farmers with good locations for charge stations and solar, could take advantage of a non passing visitor. one that will stay for 20 mins or more.
add a farm shop and coffee shop, in a nice touristy area could be a win. ideally 50kw chargers or better.



if you want extreme then this guy did 90k in a year in a model 3 and had only slow home charging.

^^^^ reality

 

[Sid]

if he maintains it took him 5hrs to add 144 miles on a public dc charger then YES he is either a liar or a person of VERY low IQ

I am sure the reputable car magazine checked his claim. But if you disagree perhaps try the print ombudsman.

where does your man living in a mid terrace with no parking site his diesel tank


oh and all that capital required to buy and fill it

Diesel tanks are for the rich

Now your being obtuse.

RFL will probably be per mile charged in the future for all cars

the anpr systems are mostly in place already - or we will all have insurance style black boxes recording miles payg

ANPR, could manage to drive all year without going anywhere near a camera here. Sounds like a great idea.

The mid terrance car owner doesn't need to store fuel at home, he/she/they/them just fill up in a couple of minutes at the filling station like they've always done

So instead of 8365 places to fuel up we now need 33.2 million charging points, 1 for every car.

Has anyone worked out the energy needed for the over night charging?

 

[Highland Mule]

Has anyone worked out the energy needed for the over night charging?

Yes. National grid have and Clive shared the video on here. Have a search if you’re interested.

 

[Dave645]

Many houses would need a TOTAL rewire to install a car charger.

Majority of multi story car parks need strengthening to facilitate being fully used by EV's

why a total rewire? most car chargers like electric showers run on a big cable direct to the consumer board, if there was not space in that they could still be added in an additional consumer board, looped in.
its been suggested that home battery packs are also to be become the norm, to reduce peak demands and create local supply. they make big sense as they strip out peak transmission load problems and transmission losses.
even if this is not done, substation battery pack will do.

car parks, the reality is they would be forced to reduce the number of cars that can park in them when full, if the average weight of ev's exceeds the original design spec of it, so more likely you will see ground floors as they where and above ground floors with bigger spaces, a win I would say. strengthening them would seem the last resort.

 

[Clive]

I am sure the reputable car magazine checked his claim. But if you disagree perhaps try the print ombudsman.


Now your being obtuse.


ANPR, could manage to drive all year without going anywhere near a camera here. Sounds like a great idea.



So instead of 8365 places to fuel up we now need 33.2 million charging points, 1 for every car.

Has anyone worked out the energy needed for the over night charging?

Basic maths Sid

144 miles recharge

mini say 3.9-4.1 miles per Kwh according to google

so he needed 144/4 =36 kwh's from the charger.

the VERY slowest of away from home DC chargers are 10kwh (you have to look hard to find one that slow however !). so that would mean 3.6hrs to charge for his 144 miles

reality is most are 50kwh chargers which would take just over 40 mins

However its not hard to find a 100kwh charger - so 20mins


or how about we get slightly more selective on our stop and go to a 150khw charger (not rare) - 15mins

or maybe we go 350kwh ? (these are not so common yet I admit !). - sub 10mins !



In NO situation can it take him 5 hrs to charge away from home ................... so yes he is either a liar or of VERY low IQ .......... and you clearly do not understand what a kwh is so the above will be utterly lost on you and I await a reply telling me oh how wrong I am

 

[Clive]

Many houses would need a TOTAL rewire to install a car charger.

Majority of multi story car parks need strengthening to facilitate being fully used by EV's

this is getting eternally hilarious now you really don't have a clue do you

I hear EV's cause cancer, type 2 diabetes and infertility as well

 

[Highland Mule]

Basic maths Sid

Sadly lacking from many, it seems.

 

[Dave645]

Electric car chargers unsuitable for almost half of all UK houses

Nearly half of all UK homes are unsuitable for electric car charging points, which may have a dramatic impact on the uptake of cleaner vehicles.

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did you read that?
unsuitable because they don't have driveways or garages. . . !
not the best supporting evidence for needing a full rewire.

 

[Clive]

did you read that?
unsuitable because they don't have driveways or garages. . . !
not the best supporting evidence for needing a full rewire.

so also unsuitable for ICE you could say !

 

[Farmer_Joe]

sunbeams are charging mine, supplying my home and feeding back to the grid for you as you type ……… sticking circa £30 a day in my pocket doing so

it feels preeminent green and cheap to me

What was the cost and size of your solar install, how much do you get per unit back to grid and roughly what is the payback in years,

I’m not picking I am genuinely interested as looking for solar for a new barn conversion but my connection to grid is poor so I will be limited on size, I cant get gshp as they want 20k to upgrade transformer and with current unit prices kero is literally half the price per therm of heat anyway and I can’t see that changing any time soon, but I do like the idea of solar in summer to heat water.

 

[Flyingscotsman]

I have a Tesla Model 3 LR.
Had it since Dec 22 and have done over 9k miles now . Regular trips to the midlands from Scotland , no issues with range and the best charging network bar none . Fast , comfy and handles very well .
FS