Irish Border post Brexit

[stevieg]

Facts, real manipulated or unauthentic are all used as propaganda because they are all subject interpretation. And since you mentioned it earlier, everyday is a school day for all unless some know it all already.

Even a basic understanding would help !

 

[arcobob]

Even a basic understanding would help !

Totally agree.

 

[CORK]

Really quoting from the BBC I thought we had gone beyond project fear.

Huh? Who would you rely on for facts? Viz/Daily Sport?

 

[renewablejohn]

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46612362

Project fear is when someone means a rational & intelligent point which leavers can't answer so they just scream "project fear" !!

And what actually was rational about the point the BBC guy was trying to make. The fundamental problem with his argument is that the EU 27 want to trade with the UK because the UK can actually afford to pay for the goods. Its no use increasing the size of the EU into areas that cannot afford to buy your goods unless you give them the funds to buy your goods. Which is precisely what the EU has been doing with UK funding but not for the benefit of UK trade.

 

[renewablejohn]

Huh? Who would you rely on for facts? Viz/Daily Sport?

Certainly not the BBC. Had enough FAKE news on our doorstep this year from the BBC regarding the supposed drought and hosepipe ban. United Utilities had deliberately drained a reservoir to replace a valve yet despite the locals telling the truth to BBC news they still reported the reservoir being low due to the heatwave.

 

[nivilla1982]

 

[nivilla1982]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-46807083
Stormont EU veto power plans to be published by government

 

[Devil_0101]

I report you some data,

here you can see how did ireland grow up since they joined the EU
https://ec.europa.eu/ireland/about-us/ireland-in-eu_en

• An estimated 978,000 jobs(link is external) have been created in Ireland during the years of membership and trade(link is external) has increased 150 fold
• Foreign Direct Investment in to Ireland have increased dramatically from just €16 million in 1972 to more than €30 billion
• EU membership has helped bring peace and political agreement in Northern Ireland through support and investment in cross-border programmes.
• The Irish language is an official working language in the EU, which helps to protect the country’s native mother tongue for future generations.

Ireland GDP year 1970 9,5 milion Euros
Ireland GDP year 2017 338.7 billion Euros
NI GDP year 2017 46.432 billion Euros

Might i know for what reason NI would not quit the UK and reunify with Ireland?

Regards.

 

[Boohoo]

I report you some data,

here you can see how did ireland grow up since they joined the EU
https://ec.europa.eu/ireland/about-us/ireland-in-eu_en

• An estimated 978,000 jobs(link is external) have been created in Ireland during the years of membership and trade(link is external) has increased 150 fold
• Foreign Direct Investment in to Ireland have increased dramatically from just €16 million in 1972 to more than €30 billion
• EU membership has helped bring peace and political agreement in Northern Ireland through support and investment in cross-border programmes.
• The Irish language is an official working language in the EU, which helps to protect the country’s native mother tongue for future generations.

Ireland GDP year 1970 9,5 milion Euros
Ireland GDP year 2017 338.7 billion Euros
NI GDP year 2017 46.432 billion Euros

Might i know for what reason NI would not quit the UK and reunify with Ireland?

Regards.

Ireland's debt per capita is a good reason for a start

 

[yin ewe]

I report you some data,

Ireland GDP year 1970 9,5 milion Euros
Ireland GDP year 2017 338.7 billion Euros
NI GDP year 2017 46.432 billion Euros

Might i know for what reason NI would not quit the UK and reunify with Ireland?

Regards.

Maybe because UK GDP is about 2.5 trillion euros and about 80% of our trade is in that direction?

 

[Devil_0101]

Maybe because UK GDP is about 2.5 trillion euros and about 80% of our trade is in that direction?

After the brexit it wont be like that anymore, the EU will support Ireland economy, and not the UK economy. There are also politician reasons for Ireland and NI to reunify, those people have been invaded. They are irish they are not british. The Ireland got more money from the EU and will continue, because the EU is going to support its members and not an non-european citizen member as UK is now going to be.

On a personal note, i believe it is sad that UK has left, been there, you have many problems like many other nations, but many nice things, i would like to go back as a tourist but it is not going to happen.

Furthermore the European citizens, especially the youth, will have so many privileges you cannot imagine. When a kid can study anywhere in the EU, and get a job anywhere in the EU, he will economically worth more compared to a non european citizen. Like i have said it is going to be the sons of your sons who are going to pay for it.

By the way the EU GDP is 19 trillions of euro without counting your 2,5 trillions of euro. Get the point.

Regards.

 

[The Agrarian]

Your lack of knowledge of the politics of northern Ireland is not surprising, for a foreigner. The fact that you think you understand those politics is much worse though.

 

[bobk]

After the brexit it wont be like that anymore, the EU will support Ireland economy, and not the UK economy. There are also politician reasons for Ireland and NI to reunify, those people have been invaded. They are irish they are not british. The Ireland got more money from the EU and will continue, because the EU is going to support its members and not an non-european citizen member as UK is now going to be.

On a personal note, i believe it is sad that UK has left, been there, you have many problems like many other nations, but many nice things, i would like to go back as a tourist but it is not going to happen.

Furthermore the European citizens, especially the youth, will have so many privileges you cannot imagine. When a kid can study anywhere in the EU, and get a job anywhere in the EU, he will economically worth more compared to a non european citizen. Like i have said it is going to be the sons of your sons who are going to pay for it.

By the way the EU GDP is 19 trillions of euro without counting your 2,5 trillions of euro. Get the point.

Regards.

You're having a larf aren't you .

 

[alex04w]

After the brexit it wont be like that anymore, the EU will support Ireland economy, and not the UK economy. There are also politician reasons for Ireland and NI to reunify, those people have been invaded. They are irish they are not british. The Ireland got more money from the EU and will continue, because the EU is going to support its members and not an non-european citizen member as UK is now going to be.

On a personal note, i believe it is sad that UK has left, been there, you have many problems like many other nations, but many nice things, i would like to go back as a tourist but it is not going to happen.

Furthermore the European citizens, especially the youth, will have so many privileges you cannot imagine. When a kid can study anywhere in the EU, and get a job anywhere in the EU, he will economically worth more compared to a non european citizen. Like i have said it is going to be the sons of your sons who are going to pay for it.

By the way the EU GDP is 19 trillions of euro without counting your 2,5 trillions of euro. Get the point.

Regards.

You really are an idiot with no understanding of the situation. The whole backstop argument is about protecting the Belfast Agreement that says Northern Ireland is British. I am British and not Irish.

 

[turbo]

After the brexit it wont be like that anymore, the EU will support Ireland economy, and not the UK economy. There are also politician reasons for Ireland and NI to reunify, those people have been invaded. They are irish they are not british. The Ireland got more money from the EU and will continue, because the EU is going to support its members and not an non-european citizen member as UK is now going to be.

On a personal note, i believe it is sad that UK has left, been there, you have many problems like many other nations, but many nice things, i would like to go back as a tourist but it is not going to happen.

Furthermore the European citizens, especially the youth, will have so many privileges you cannot imagine. When a kid can study anywhere in the EU, and get a job anywhere in the EU, he will economically worth more compared to a non european citizen. Like i have said it is going to be the sons of your sons who are going to pay for it.

Get a good education!shame about the youth unemployment in the eu

 

[Derrick Hughes]

It reminds me of a bully telling a child the buggy man will get you .except we ain't children

 

[Devil_0101]

The data i have reported, comes from the World Bank and the EU, if you have a problem feel free to blame them. If was not because the EU you were still in a civil war. Regards.

"During the negotiations on Britain's planned 2019 withdrawal from the European Union, the EU produced a position paper on its concerns regarding support of the Good Friday Agreement by the UK during Brexit."

"However, the question of how this was to be done soon became a point over which there were very apparent differences between the two sides; such differences are manifest within Northern Ireland in differing political views regarding European integration and national sovereignty. This paper explores the effects of EU membership on the peace process and the Agreement in light of the Brexit process"

"Architects of the European Union peace programmes in Northern Ireland came together for the first time in twenty years to reflect on the role the European Union played in the Northern Ireland peace process. They were joined by academic experts on the European Union and key figures active in cross-border cooperation to explore the significance of the EU role in the peace process and discuss the future of the Good Friday Agreement and the Irish border."

"The Good Friday Agreement would never have happened without the European Union, a former US senator George Mitchell chaired the talks which led to the 1998 peace agreement. who helped broker the deal has said."

"We helped negotiate the Good Friday Agreement. We cannot allow Brexit to destroy it"

"The crucial section on Rights, Safeguards and Equality of Opportunities makes constant reference to the incorporation of the European Convention on Human Rights as an additional guarantee. Those are the reasons why Northern Ireland voted to remain within the EU"

"The peace process in the island of Ireland has meshed very well and worked very well with the European Union, the larger peace process"

"Carlo Trojan (former Secretary General of the European Commission and Head of the 1994 Northern Ireland Task Force) Carlo Trojan described his work at the head of the Northern Ireland Task Force in 1994 and how its work followed a bottom-up approach in pursuit of a more direct involvement of civil society and private networks in EU peacebuilding activities in the region."

"Panel discussion with Colm Larkin, Andy Pollak, Hugh Logue, Jane Morrice and Carlo Trojan discussion on the EU programme for peace and reconciliation in Northern Ireland questioned the speakers on the motives, the approaches, and the debates behind the decision of the EU to take a very concrete and decisive step to Europeanise the Northern Ireland peace process"

 

[turbo]

How is taking Ireland tax veto away going to improve their economy

 

[ollie989898]

Yaaaaawwwnn.

Look, we are leaving, fudge anyone who says otherwise. If neither Northern Ireland or Southern Ireland want a border, fine. There won't be one. Good luck to the EU if they try to impose one, I expect both sides of the border would soon put paid to any plan that did not align with their wishes.

EU 'peace-building' are you taking the Michael? The EU has done no such thing. The EU need to butt out of the entire issue and stop stirring it up.

 

[The Agrarian]

The data i have reported, comes from the World Bank and the EU, if you have a problem feel free to blame them. If was not because the EU you were still in a civil war. Regards.

"During the negotiations on Britain's planned 2019 withdrawal from the European Union, the EU produced a position paper on its concerns regarding support of the Good Friday Agreement by the UK during Brexit."

"However, the question of how this was to be done soon became a point over which there were very apparent differences between the two sides; such differences are manifest within Northern Ireland in differing political views regarding European integration and national sovereignty. This paper explores the effects of EU membership on the peace process and the Agreement in light of the Brexit process"

"Architects of the European Union peace programmes in Northern Ireland came together for the first time in twenty years to reflect on the role the European Union played in the Northern Ireland peace process. They were joined by academic experts on the European Union and key figures active in cross-border cooperation to explore the significance of the EU role in the peace process and discuss the future of the Good Friday Agreement and the Irish border."

"The Good Friday Agreement would never have happened without the European Union, a former US senator George Mitchell chaired the talks which led to the 1998 peace agreement. who helped broker the deal has said."

"We helped negotiate the Good Friday Agreement. We cannot allow Brexit to destroy it"

"The crucial section on Rights, Safeguards and Equality of Opportunities makes constant reference to the incorporation of the European Convention on Human Rights as an additional guarantee. Those are the reasons why Northern Ireland voted to remain within the EU"

"The peace process in the island of Ireland has meshed very well and worked very well with the European Union, the larger peace process"

"Carlo Trojan (former Secretary General of the European Commission and Head of the 1994 Northern Ireland Task Force) Carlo Trojan described his work at the head of the Northern Ireland Task Force in 1994 and how its work followed a bottom-up approach in pursuit of a more direct involvement of civil society and private networks in EU peacebuilding activities in the region."

"Panel discussion with Colm Larkin, Andy Pollak, Hugh Logue, Jane Morrice and Carlo Trojan discussion on the EU programme for peace and reconciliation in Northern Ireland questioned the speakers on the motives, the approaches, and the debates behind the decision of the EU to take a very concrete and decisive step to Europeanise the Northern Ireland peace process"

What a load of self-congratulatory ballocks!

The EU likes to manufacture a sense of purpose so that it can exist as an institution and serve it's own ends. It's truly laughable that you or anyone else might really think they contributed to the peace process.

The peace process happened because the IRA had reached a stalemate in it's murder campaign, and knew it wasnt getting any further with it. It was offered the chance to have it's bombers and murderers released from prison, to have the regional police force that caught them disbanded, and a guaranteed joint seat at the head of government, no matter what the electorate might say. They quite rightly thought it was a great deal, and took it!

We all took the European funding for peace, because it was there to be made use of. But I'm not aware of any difference to relations i have seen locally that would not have occurred anyway without the EU scheme money.

As for the convention on human rights. The most visible effects have been a deterioration in the quality of justice and punishment. A criminal psychologist friend of mine could write you a book about the day to day problems they see now because of it. It also in an especially twisted turn of events, saw terrorists taking their government to the european court for compensation for having their human rights infringed upon whilst they were in the midst of a murder operation.

A very big pat on the back to you. Well done. You have served criminals well.