Is Cowabunga right

[Ukjay]

Ha ha, not at a restaurant but an outdoor summer event, I have taken a steak back and asked them to cook it. Note, not asked them to cook
It more.

Exactly, I thought they expected me to chew the cows arse in some places in France ?

 

[DRC]

This. I've failed to pluck up courage to point out that beef these days is a lottery. Sometimes it's tender, and the best meal in the world, sometimes it's like chewing car tyres. This quality variation is doing more harm than veganism ever will. A young family tucking into a Sunday joint and finding it's awful will probably never buy it again. Once a customer is lost....

This is true. If we go out for a meal I rarely order steak these days because it can be so variable . Likewise today we had a piece of slow cooked brisket which is usually my favourite, but today’s bit, from the local butcher, was half fat when I carved it . He will be told on the next visit .

 

[Old McDonald]

I've never had a bad steak in a restaurant in France, however some beef from supermarkets is inedible

Some (not all) supermarket chains here in Portugal stock beef from various places around the world that I would not eat. Eastern european countries, several S American, Namibia come to mind and the beef looks unappetising. I have also seen Australian and British both of which I have bought and enjoyed. Do you have the same sources in France?

 

[matthew]

Exactly, I thought they expected me to chew the cows arse in some places in France ?

Me too. Cut along the grain and doused in red hot gravy. It was almost mooing. And inedible.

 

[Bury the Trash]

Red meat is a problem with the younger generation. And a lot of the older generation!
The quality is too variable. Have a steak one week it's ok. Next week it's terrible.
Lamb can be similar.
Go to a lot of trouble preparing a nice meal. Put the plates in front of the kids and they turn their noses up and leave the meat and it's been an extremely expensive and wasteful meal.
Then next time give them burgers and they are happy. No waste.
Doesn't take a lot of figuring out why traditional meat is declining.

For consistantly good meat try lidl.
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[FonterraFarmer]

She should have taken a tip from the Canadian prime minister.....

Oh ffs, don't bring Justin into it

 

[jendan]

Agree with that, taste flavour. we have home reared mutton, salt marsh, hill and machair grazed, how will they get that flavour from a vat

What is the "machair"? Its in a Skippinish song.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Agree with that, taste flavour. we have home reared mutton, salt marsh, hill and machair grazed, how will they get that flavour from a vat

How will they get their health?
Even some of the current ways of doing things inhibit the transmission of essential aminos and vitamins from the soil to the human, which is why everyone is so damned healthy.

I personally think that fake food will be the best thing ever for humanity, as it will make it easier for a major health epidemic to wipe out the problem - the affluent, and allow the more "primitive" people to advance.

I really hope y'all get to keep using glyphosate.

 

[CharcoalWally]

What is the "machair"? Its in a Skippinish song.

It's the green, fertile ground which runs onto the shore on the Hebridean islands. Also refers to the dunes.

 

[Pond digger]

It's the green, fertile ground which runs onto the shore on the Hebridean islands. Also refers to the dunes.

And renowned for its wild flowers.

 

[n.w]

What is the "machair"? Its in a Skippinish song.

Here is a photo of our local Machair, its part of our common grazing, along with salt marsh and hill. never "improved" traditionally top dressed with seaweed and used for oats and potatoes in the summer, after cattle, sheep and lambs are put on the hill. Relied on by a large population of ground nesting birds, and the type of habitat that would be ruined for ever, if the re-wilders and vegans take over..

 

[Y Fan Wen]

Farming has been evolving forever. And it will continue. Ploughing with horses is not far in the past and growing crops without land will be soon with us.
Just remember without the EU subsidy farming would be in a very different place to what it is now. Good or bad it has kept people working in agriculture and associated industry.

I found this in Naked Capitalism, the highlighted bit made me laugh;

'the advantage of a no-deal is that it gives an opportunity for radical renewal in a number of sectors (but then again, so does rebuilding after an earthquake or tsunami). There is the potential for completely restructuring UK agriculture in a more sustainable way – abandon the uplands to nature, re-focus on mixed farming on the better quality lands. But given the enormous and outsized political strength of the landowning lobby, even a Corbyn government would struggle with that.'

 

[shortshift]

a sum of money granted by the state or a public body to help an industry or business keep the price of a commodity or service low.
"a farm subsidy"

I think our payments generally end up being a subsidy.

They shouldn’t but......

It would make your eyes water to see what other industries receive in hand outs but they do not shout about it.
Wold population is growing, they will need to eat and someone will have to provide it,be it meat or veg.

 

[Cowabunga]

It would make your eyes water to see what other industries receive in hand outs but they do not shout about it.
Wold population is growing, they will need to eat and someone will have to provide it,be it meat or veg.

They will either have to industrialise in order to import our rather expensively produced food, grow it themselves, or starve. Historically many of these countries have chosen war and starvation as their preferred option and I can't see that changing any time soon.

 

[bobk]

Not read the thread , but has @Cowabunga admitted to not always being right ???? or is it normal service .

 

[Cowabunga]

Not read the thread , but has @Cowabunga admitted to not always being right ???? or is it normal service .

Nobody asked.

What they did ask, using my name, was whether the report by the American research think-tank prediction was correct. To be absolutely plain, I did not write it.

 

[ollie989898]

Some (not all) supermarket chains here in Portugal stock beef from various places around the world that I would not eat. Eastern european countries, several S American, Namibia come to mind and the beef looks unappetising. I have also seen Australian and British both of which I have bought and enjoyed. Do you have the same sources in France?

I bet you can freely import more beef into the UK than many of us would imagine. I have seen Namibian and Botswanan beef in the UK with my own eyes because a muppet supplier showed us the range of stuff he could get for the catering trade. It wasn't that much cheaper and the bulk of it looked absolutely terrible.

 

[Cowcorn]

Is Cowbunga right or merely correct ???? Usually fairly correct and hopefully he is not right about the future or were all fuccked!!!

 

[Cowabunga]

I bet you can freely import more beef into the UK than many of us would imagine. I have seen Namibian and Botswanan beef in the UK with my own eyes because a muppet supplier showed us the range of stuff he could get for the catering trade. It wasn't that much cheaper and the bulk of it looked absolutely terrible.

Bookers have been supplying such beef [allegedly] for decades quite legally. The reason it is cheaper, but not that much cheaper than EU beef is the very high import tariff they pay to enter the EU/UK.
This just might change soon and you will find it sold at substantially less than half current price.

 

[Cowabunga]

Is Cowbunga right or merely correct ???? Usually fairly correct and hopefully he is not right about the future or were all fuccked!!!

I believe that the report is substantially correct, except in the timing. Ten years is an exceptionally short time to see such vast changes. Twenty years? That would not surprise me, with fifteen years of profitless hell on the way down.

All the talk of increased population and increased affluence in third world countries is just hot air designed to keep Western farmer's producing as cheaply as possible for as long as possible. If we didn't see things greener in that distant imaginary field, then we would give up and produce far less before alternative technologies were developed to allow us to be made obsolete with no consequences for the otherwise starving masses.

Anyone who has not read a summary of the report, really needs to. Just use 2040 as an alternative date to 2030 if you feel that the earlier date makes it sound dodgy.