JCB Phaser engine

[Bloders]

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Our 1994 2cx has a Perkins engine. It has an engine build code AA, full code is AA 50429 U628185X
I believe this is a phaser 1004 engine and an early build type.
It is leaking water through the cylinder wall into the bore.
Ive been told it does not have a liner, it is machined block, though it looks to have a liner top and bottom. Anyone know for sure?
If it has a Liner, i believe it would be dry - so im a bit stumped where the water is coming from.

Anyone know of a engine (block, complete, short motor etc) or a suitable remedy?
Would it have to be an identical build? or are there alternatives?

thanks

 

[Kevtherev]

Best firm to call is Timik Agricultural
They do short motors.
You could also get yours bored out and resleeved providing the block is in good condition.

 

[ACEngineering]

back again
Our 1994 2cx has a Perkins engine. It has an engine build code AA, full code is AA 50429 U628185X
I believe this is a phaser 1004 engine and an early build type.
It is leaking water through the cylinder wall into the bore.
Ive been told it does not have a liner, it is machined block, though it looks to have a liner top and bottom. Anyone know for sure?
If it has a Liner, i believe it would be dry - so im a bit stumped where the water is coming from.

Anyone know of a engine (block, complete, short motor etc) or a suitable remedy?
Would it have to be an identical build? or are there alternatives?

thanks

They have dry liners i think, They are common for the timing case to rot and drop water in the sump I'd be surprised if its a block problem.

 

[Bloders]

They have dry liners i think, They are common for the timing case to rot and drop water in the sump I'd be surprised if its a block problem.

can see the water running through the liner into the bore.
not sure how this can be with a dry liner?
Did they change during the build stages?

 

[ACEngineering]

can see the water running through the liner into the bore.
not sure how this can be with a dry liner?
Did they change during the build stages?

No idea, all i know i you can buy new dry liners for them. Even the old 4236 types had liners.

@leone75 will know.

 

[agrimax]

If water is coming through the dry liner, then the block and liner are cracked or have went porous. Wouldn't be a Perkins thing to become porous though...

 

[8100]

Gulp...

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[ACEngineering]

Gulp...

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Expensive

 

[Abacus]

I had this it whose a crack in the block Timik Agricultural are the people to get hold of

 

[Bloders]

I had this it whose a crack in the block Timik Agricultural are the people to get hold of

they need to answer the phone is the problem. Tried them numerous times yesterday but no answer.

What was your solution? (repair or replace)

 

[Andrew]

they need to answer the phone is the problem. Tried them numerous times yesterday but no answer.

What was your solution? (repair or replace)

They’re tied up with Big Bale South, give them a ring if you’re stuck.

 

[ACEngineering]

they need to answer the phone is the problem. Tried them numerous times yesterday but no answer.

What was your solution? (repair or replace)

Try Dobsons or @leone75 might have something.

Maybe get a turbo spec engine if your going to spend on it may aswell give it a few more horses

 

[Teddy99]

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Give Francis a ring , sound fella to deal with.

 

[Bloders]

Does anyone remember the person who patched up a ford porus block with epoxy?
That might be a way forward yet and then new liners.

 

[masseybreaker]

word of warning dont buy a mf tractor engine the block is different

 

[leone75]

2 ways to fix
new or used block ( I will have one )
bore faulty cylinder and fit heavier liner

 

[ACEngineering]

word of warning dont buy a mf tractor engine the block is different

No, there are 2 common types blocks, industrial and a stressed Agri block/sump.
JCB and Manitou use both types.

The industrial one has a bolt on bell housing and an aluminium or sometimes a tin sump. where the agri block has the bell housing cast as part of the block and with a heavy cast sump.

 

[masseybreaker]

was thinking more of the AH type in a MF 6150 with the water pump in the front of the block not on the side but you know more about loadall types than me

 

[Bloders]

2 ways to fix
new or used block ( I will have one )
bore faulty cylinder and fit heavier liner

how much would a block be?

 

[startinghandle]

I am trying to figure out what caused the problem...
worn mountings causing vibration?
Overheating???
If coolant is leaking into cylinder has it caused other damage like bent conrod ?