John Deere reducing dealerships

Moors Lad

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ave a break with your anger towards JD!! its xmas day you've said before how great valtra is and how reliable it is and that's all you will run as they dont cost anything to run and appreciate in value,what do you benefit this forum spouting your opinion ?


Take your blind fold off and you might see a bit more , I'm entitled to my opinion as far as I know there is free speech allowed here , your the clown talking utter bullpoo here , your brain and a pea have a lot in common , there a bit small, I've nothing against JD , JD dropped dealers here and their sales have fallen , now they are dropping top dealers in the uk who gave their customers great service , I know a lot of farmers who will stay loyal to that good local dealer and if he gets a good new brand then most of his customers will stay with him . What JD are forgetting when they look at their dealer map, is that this is not America , farmers mostly like to deal locally , their forgetting that that dropped dealer doesn't usually disappear , he usually takes on a new agency and his customers stick with him . JD have dropped from number 1 to 3 here since they dropped two good dealers and the same will happen in the uk.


And a belated VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS to all - it`s the season of goodwill.....
 

Deerefarmer

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CATERPILLAR: Our Dealers Are Missing Up To $18 Billion In Easy Sales
James B. Kelleher, ReutersMar 20, 2014, 8:55 AM


Workers walk past Caterpillar excavator machines at a factory in GosseliesThomson Reuters
(Reuters) - Caterpillar Inc has a long tradition of proudly - and publicly - proclaiming how much it loves its dealers.

In recent years, the Peoria, Illinois-based company has called the 178 independently owned businesses that distribute its earth-moving products worldwide everything from "a critical competitive differentiator" to "the foundation" of its success.

Now the world's largest maker of construction and mining equipment is adopting a cooler tone with those dealers, asking them: "What have you done for us lately?"

Caterpillar believes its distributors are missing out on somewhere between $9 billion and $18 billion in easy-to-capture revenue each year because they are falling down in at least three ways. They are not tapping into the wealth of real-time customer data now at their fingertips; they are not communicating with each other; and they are not providing customers across the globe with a consistent experience when it comes to everything from e-commerce to parts and services pricing.


So Caterpillar, which is in a hunt for new revenue because of weakness in key markets, is giving dealers until the end of the year to come up with a three-year plan to capture those lost sales. Distributors who fail to meet their targets could have their dealership agreements terminated, though top executives insist a cull of dealers probably won't be needed.

"That would be the last resort, the last outcome and certainly not desirable," says Chief Executive Officer Doug Oberhelman.

Like its rivals, Caterpillar has integrated all kinds of diagnostic technology into its machines that throws off a torrent of real-time information about the health of the products. The data helps owners track their equipment, optimize its utilization and manage fuel and maintenance costs.

Better exploited by the dealers, the information could immediately increase part and service sales to existing customers, Caterpillar says. Dealers could anticipate problems, schedule preventive and predictive maintenance and help customers manage their equipment fleets more efficiently.


The company says its best dealers already do that pretty decently and have, in the words of Stu Levenick, the group president in charge of dealer relations, "an awareness of about 90 percent of their parts demand by customer, have it very well segmented and understand where 90 percent of the opportunity exists."

Many more dealers are missing out. "The average dealer, or lower-performing dealer, he only knows 40 percent of his opportunity," Levenick says. "And we demonstrated that if we just take the best practices of the first group and apply it to the other group, they automatically get a 6 to 8 percent aftermarket share improvement ... just by doing something obvious. But they haven't done it because we haven't directed them to do it or helped them to do it."

BYPASSING BILLIONS IN SALES

Caterpillar is the latest company to see big dollars in so-called Big Data. There are, by its reckoning, more than 3.5 million pieces of Caterpillar equipment in the field, many of them fitted with sensors that send out continual status updates about important mechanical systems and operator performance.


Caterpillar believes dealers could be billing for billions of dollars more each year if they did a better job of thinking of those machines as smart digital devices, constantly pinging them with sales and service opportunities - not just dumb pieces of iron.

The push, code-named Across the Table, was unveiled last month at a private meeting of distributors and made public earlier this month at an analyst meeting in Las Vegas.

Company executives say dealers are missing out on additional billions in sales by not coordinating better with one another and not offering consistent e-commerce solutions to customers who, in many cases, work with more than one Caterpillar dealer across the globe.

"Customer expectations have changed," says Levenick, who is in charge of the initiative. "If they work with multiple dealers, they want to have a common experience wherever they go."


Oberhelman says cooperation and communication among Caterpillar dealers often is "disjointed," especially when it comes to locating parts and serving customers. He cites the example of Australia, where the four dealers that have carved up the country - and Caterpillar itself, which sells a handful of specialized products directly to customers - operate dozens of supply depots whose order and inventory systems aren't meshed.

"I don't know how many individual parts warehouses there must be among four dealers and ours," Oberhelman says. "But it's probably over 100. And we don't really today … have those talk to each other. You need a part in Perth. Our warehouse in Melbourne may not have it, but it may not communicate with all the other places in Australia before we have to go overseas to get it."

A big chunk of any incremental revenue the dealers pick up with the push would flow to Caterpillar, says Levenick. "It can't go to them without going to us."

A SCRAMBLE FOR REVENUE


Caterpillar is also challenging dealers to do a better job of navigating the sea change that's taken place in the construction machine market, where sales of equipment to rental companies now outnumber sales to contractors.

That creates problems because the independent dealer model, which Caterpillar embraced shortly after its founding in the 1920s, "was never designed originally to handle the financial loads or the operational capabilities of running a rental organization," Levenick says. "If you look at a CAT dealer, they're not structured in a way that United Rentals is."

Jason Marx, a director in the heavy-equipment practice of AlixPartners, an industry consulting group, says the rental business requires "a huge amount of working capital" and can divert money away from other parts of a dealer's business that might require some funding for growth.

Oberhelman acknowledges the strain the switch to rental is putting on the company and its dealer network. "It moves the financial pressure from the customer to the dealer and ultimately up to us," he says. "And we just have to figure out how to deal with that."


The push is not without risk. Caterpillar has long touted its independent dealers, whose 162,000 workers more than double its global headcount, as a key competitive advantage, especially in recent years as lower-priced Asian rivals with less robust dealer support networks rose up to challenge its supremacy in the construction equipment market.

Messing with that could sour the special relationship that Caterpillar says has been critical to its success in remaining the world's No. 1 maker of construction and mining equipment.

But the company is in a scramble for additional revenue. After peaking at $65.9 billion in 2012, sales plunged nearly 16 percent in 2013 as capital investment by the global mining industry tanked. The company has warned that sales could slip another 5 percent in 2014 in part because of the slow-motion recovery of the global construction market.

Analysts say that hasn't completely derailed Caterpillar's goal of reaching $100 billion in annual revenues by 2020, but it has made the target a little harder to reach. Hence the focus on dealer performance, which Caterpillar says is a way to significantly lift sales even if construction and mining fundamentals don't improve dramatically anytime soon.


Caterpillar is focused on nine or 10 dealer metrics, most of which it refuses to discuss with analysts or the media. That has made it difficult for investors to assess the likelihood the move will deliver the promised results.

Ann Duignan, an analyst at JP Morgan, is among those who say they have more questions than answers about the dealer effort and remain dubious about the effect it will have on the company's top and bottom lines. "It's hard to assess accurately because they didn't give us enough detail," Duignan says.

But in conversations about the program with Reuters, top executives have made it clear that dealers need to significantly increase the performance of their parts and service departments and to boost their share of the global parts and service market.

A key gauge here is something Caterpillar calls "the absorption rate," which measures how long a dealership could keep its doors open if it never sold another piece of equipment and had to survive on the profits booked from servicing existing machines in its territory.


If a dealer's gross profit from those parts and service sales can cover its total overhead and interest expenses for a year, the dealer is said to have a 100 percent absorption rate. For years, 100 percent was considered good enough.

No more. Dealers' new absorption-rate goals will be different, but they have all been given until 2018 to improve performance. Leveraging the insights the embedded technology affords them is one way to get there.

Even the best dealers in the network are being assigned new goals that Jim Parker, the owner of Carter Machinery, a Caterpillar dealership in Salem, Virginia, says "won't be a lay-up."

Tapping into the technology already deployed on Caterpillar's machines could make their task a little easier.


For years now, Caterpillar has been installing all kinds of cameras, sensors and satellite-based positioning control and guidance systems on its machines to help customers increase their productivity and efficiency and eliminate workplace accidents.

Those electronic gadgets and the remote monitoring they make possible have created a huge opportunity for dealers to move beyond the equipment and parts and services sales and into the potentially much-more lucrative fleet-management business.

Dealers already offer a tiered fleet-management program, which is marketed as CAT Equipment Management Solutions (EMS).

Indeed a highlight of Caterpillar's exhibit at the recent ConExpo trade show in Las Vegas was a demonstration of how the system works for customers and dealers.


Caterpillar wants dealers to move more customers into higher-levels of EMS, where dealers take over monitoring of the equipment and - at the highest level - actually take over the management of customers' fleets.

The company has tried to increase dealer buy-in to the plan by asking 20 of its top-performing distributors - including Parker in Virginia - to help design its carrots and sticks. So far, Levenick says there has been little resistance to the basic goals. But Parker says talk of raising performance measures has prompted some nervousness among dealers.

"We have a common set of metrics. You know what they are, and you know they're weighted. And that's how Caterpillar is going to judge every dealer. It's very, very black and white. It's about market share," he says.

"But I know some dealers - because they're friends of mine - are saying, 'I got some work to do.'"

(Reporting by James B. Kelleher in Chicago; Editing by Prudence Crowther)

Read the original article on Reuters Copyright 2014
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Interesting article.
I can see it from you farmers point of view but this sort of puts things in a different perspective. Think about it if you were making a product to sell and several of your retailers were slouching, how would you deal with it, especially if it was costing you sales?
 
I think CAT have effectively pulled out of the uk as far as ag is concerned, pulled the plug on most if not all of its dealers twelve months or so ago.
They did run some full page ads for handlers in the farming press just after, sold direct but seen nothing since.
 

Yale

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Livestock Farmer
I think CAT have effectively pulled out of the uk as far as ag is concerned, pulled the plug on most if not all of its dealers twelve months or so ago.
They did run some full page ads for handlers in the farming press just after, sold direct but seen nothing since.
I agree,CAT have the products but they just don’t promote them or have dealers.

Just look at Merlo who are the complete opposite with an excellent dealer network.
 

B'o'B

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Arable Farmer
Location
Rutland
CATERPILLAR: Our Dealers Are Missing Up To $18 Billion In Easy Sales
James B. Kelleher, ReutersMar 20, 2014, 8:55 AM


Workers walk past Caterpillar excavator machines at a factory in GosseliesThomson Reuters
(Reuters) - Caterpillar Inc has a long tradition of proudly - and publicly - proclaiming how much it loves its dealers.

In recent years, the Peoria, Illinois-based company has called the 178 independently owned businesses that distribute its earth-moving products worldwide everything from "a critical competitive differentiator" to "the foundation" of its success.

Now the world's largest maker of construction and mining equipment is adopting a cooler tone with those dealers, asking them: "What have you done for us lately?"

Caterpillar believes its distributors are missing out on somewhere between $9 billion and $18 billion in easy-to-capture revenue each year because they are falling down in at least three ways. They are not tapping into the wealth of real-time customer data now at their fingertips; they are not communicating with each other; and they are not providing customers across the globe with a consistent experience when it comes to everything from e-commerce to parts and services pricing.


So Caterpillar, which is in a hunt for new revenue because of weakness in key markets, is giving dealers until the end of the year to come up with a three-year plan to capture those lost sales. Distributors who fail to meet their targets could have their dealership agreements terminated, though top executives insist a cull of dealers probably won't be needed.

"That would be the last resort, the last outcome and certainly not desirable," says Chief Executive Officer Doug Oberhelman.

Like its rivals, Caterpillar has integrated all kinds of diagnostic technology into its machines that throws off a torrent of real-time information about the health of the products. The data helps owners track their equipment, optimize its utilization and manage fuel and maintenance costs.

Better exploited by the dealers, the information could immediately increase part and service sales to existing customers, Caterpillar says. Dealers could anticipate problems, schedule preventive and predictive maintenance and help customers manage their equipment fleets more efficiently.


The company says its best dealers already do that pretty decently and have, in the words of Stu Levenick, the group president in charge of dealer relations, "an awareness of about 90 percent of their parts demand by customer, have it very well segmented and understand where 90 percent of the opportunity exists."

Many more dealers are missing out. "The average dealer, or lower-performing dealer, he only knows 40 percent of his opportunity," Levenick says. "And we demonstrated that if we just take the best practices of the first group and apply it to the other group, they automatically get a 6 to 8 percent aftermarket share improvement ... just by doing something obvious. But they haven't done it because we haven't directed them to do it or helped them to do it."

BYPASSING BILLIONS IN SALES

Caterpillar is the latest company to see big dollars in so-called Big Data. There are, by its reckoning, more than 3.5 million pieces of Caterpillar equipment in the field, many of them fitted with sensors that send out continual status updates about important mechanical systems and operator performance.


Caterpillar believes dealers could be billing for billions of dollars more each year if they did a better job of thinking of those machines as smart digital devices, constantly pinging them with sales and service opportunities - not just dumb pieces of iron.

The push, code-named Across the Table, was unveiled last month at a private meeting of distributors and made public earlier this month at an analyst meeting in Las Vegas.

Company executives say dealers are missing out on additional billions in sales by not coordinating better with one another and not offering consistent e-commerce solutions to customers who, in many cases, work with more than one Caterpillar dealer across the globe.

"Customer expectations have changed," says Levenick, who is in charge of the initiative. "If they work with multiple dealers, they want to have a common experience wherever they go."


Oberhelman says cooperation and communication among Caterpillar dealers often is "disjointed," especially when it comes to locating parts and serving customers. He cites the example of Australia, where the four dealers that have carved up the country - and Caterpillar itself, which sells a handful of specialized products directly to customers - operate dozens of supply depots whose order and inventory systems aren't meshed.

"I don't know how many individual parts warehouses there must be among four dealers and ours," Oberhelman says. "But it's probably over 100. And we don't really today … have those talk to each other. You need a part in Perth. Our warehouse in Melbourne may not have it, but it may not communicate with all the other places in Australia before we have to go overseas to get it."

A big chunk of any incremental revenue the dealers pick up with the push would flow to Caterpillar, says Levenick. "It can't go to them without going to us."

A SCRAMBLE FOR REVENUE


Caterpillar is also challenging dealers to do a better job of navigating the sea change that's taken place in the construction machine market, where sales of equipment to rental companies now outnumber sales to contractors.

That creates problems because the independent dealer model, which Caterpillar embraced shortly after its founding in the 1920s, "was never designed originally to handle the financial loads or the operational capabilities of running a rental organization," Levenick says. "If you look at a CAT dealer, they're not structured in a way that United Rentals is."

Jason Marx, a director in the heavy-equipment practice of AlixPartners, an industry consulting group, says the rental business requires "a huge amount of working capital" and can divert money away from other parts of a dealer's business that might require some funding for growth.

Oberhelman acknowledges the strain the switch to rental is putting on the company and its dealer network. "It moves the financial pressure from the customer to the dealer and ultimately up to us," he says. "And we just have to figure out how to deal with that."


The push is not without risk. Caterpillar has long touted its independent dealers, whose 162,000 workers more than double its global headcount, as a key competitive advantage, especially in recent years as lower-priced Asian rivals with less robust dealer support networks rose up to challenge its supremacy in the construction equipment market.

Messing with that could sour the special relationship that Caterpillar says has been critical to its success in remaining the world's No. 1 maker of construction and mining equipment.

But the company is in a scramble for additional revenue. After peaking at $65.9 billion in 2012, sales plunged nearly 16 percent in 2013 as capital investment by the global mining industry tanked. The company has warned that sales could slip another 5 percent in 2014 in part because of the slow-motion recovery of the global construction market.

Analysts say that hasn't completely derailed Caterpillar's goal of reaching $100 billion in annual revenues by 2020, but it has made the target a little harder to reach. Hence the focus on dealer performance, which Caterpillar says is a way to significantly lift sales even if construction and mining fundamentals don't improve dramatically anytime soon.


Caterpillar is focused on nine or 10 dealer metrics, most of which it refuses to discuss with analysts or the media. That has made it difficult for investors to assess the likelihood the move will deliver the promised results.

Ann Duignan, an analyst at JP Morgan, is among those who say they have more questions than answers about the dealer effort and remain dubious about the effect it will have on the company's top and bottom lines. "It's hard to assess accurately because they didn't give us enough detail," Duignan says.

But in conversations about the program with Reuters, top executives have made it clear that dealers need to significantly increase the performance of their parts and service departments and to boost their share of the global parts and service market.

A key gauge here is something Caterpillar calls "the absorption rate," which measures how long a dealership could keep its doors open if it never sold another piece of equipment and had to survive on the profits booked from servicing existing machines in its territory.


If a dealer's gross profit from those parts and service sales can cover its total overhead and interest expenses for a year, the dealer is said to have a 100 percent absorption rate. For years, 100 percent was considered good enough.

No more. Dealers' new absorption-rate goals will be different, but they have all been given until 2018 to improve performance. Leveraging the insights the embedded technology affords them is one way to get there.

Even the best dealers in the network are being assigned new goals that Jim Parker, the owner of Carter Machinery, a Caterpillar dealership in Salem, Virginia, says "won't be a lay-up."

Tapping into the technology already deployed on Caterpillar's machines could make their task a little easier.


For years now, Caterpillar has been installing all kinds of cameras, sensors and satellite-based positioning control and guidance systems on its machines to help customers increase their productivity and efficiency and eliminate workplace accidents.

Those electronic gadgets and the remote monitoring they make possible have created a huge opportunity for dealers to move beyond the equipment and parts and services sales and into the potentially much-more lucrative fleet-management business.

Dealers already offer a tiered fleet-management program, which is marketed as CAT Equipment Management Solutions (EMS).

Indeed a highlight of Caterpillar's exhibit at the recent ConExpo trade show in Las Vegas was a demonstration of how the system works for customers and dealers.


Caterpillar wants dealers to move more customers into higher-levels of EMS, where dealers take over monitoring of the equipment and - at the highest level - actually take over the management of customers' fleets.

The company has tried to increase dealer buy-in to the plan by asking 20 of its top-performing distributors - including Parker in Virginia - to help design its carrots and sticks. So far, Levenick says there has been little resistance to the basic goals. But Parker says talk of raising performance measures has prompted some nervousness among dealers.

"We have a common set of metrics. You know what they are, and you know they're weighted. And that's how Caterpillar is going to judge every dealer. It's very, very black and white. It's about market share," he says.

"But I know some dealers - because they're friends of mine - are saying, 'I got some work to do.'"

(Reporting by James B. Kelleher in Chicago; Editing by Prudence Crowther)

Read the original article on Reuters Copyright 2014
NOW WATCH: Popular Videos from Insider Inc.


Interesting article.
I can see it from you farmers point of view but this sort of puts things in a different perspective. Think about it if you were making a product to sell and several of your retailers were slouching, how would you deal with it, especially if it was costing you sales?
Interesting, but has the strategy worked for them?
2011 - $60.1b
2012- $65.8b
2013 - $55.6b
2014 - $55.1b
2015 - $47.1b
2016 - $38.5b
2017 - $45.5b
2018 - $54.7b
2019 - $55.0b

CAT will be doing well to hit their $100billon target next year! It’s all very well saying you want to release more cash from your customers wallets, but are you offering your customers extra VFM on that extra spend? And do your customers want to give you that money, or will you just alienate them by pushing them for it?
 
Interesting, but has the strategy worked for them?
2011 - $60.1b
2012- $65.8b
2013 - $55.6b
2014 - $55.1b
2015 - $47.1b
2016 - $38.5b
2017 - $45.5b
2018 - $54.7b
2019 - $55.0b

CAT will be doing well to hit their $100billon target next year! It’s all very well saying you want to release more cash from your customers wallets, but are you offering your customers extra VFM on that extra spend? And do your customers want to give you that money, or will you just alienate them by pushing them for it?
I work at a lot of caterpillar engines and while Caterpillar have the business model they have it will be ok for me.
They seem to be only interested in the large customers and their products portfolio is massive, hard to be an expert in everything.
I think for John Deere they have a full range of equipment and it's hard to keep the innovation going on the full range .
I think if you look at Merlo they specialise in handlers and seem to do quite well, Mc Hale , grass equipment they are really strong at .
I don't think big is always best , ideas and development are easier implemented in a smaller organisation's.
 

Jackov Altraids

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
I've following this thread with great interest.
At first, I was indignant at JD for not supporting the local dealer network. The hard truth has gradually dawned on me that they are reacting to the change in my circumstances, not the other way around.
My father bought a new tractor in the 60's, 70's and 80's. I still use them. I could/ should of bought a new tractor in the 00's but chose a lower houred nearly new one.
With the finance available, I could buy a new tractor now but in reality, it would cost the margin on this livestock farm. I'd just be working to pay it off which would be utterly pointless.
According to all the figures, I'm pretty average so the same is probably sadly true for most beef/ sheep farmers.
I'm sure JD have worked out that if I buy a new tractor, it will be a modern copy of what my Dad bought and I'm not worth consideration. I do expect to keep my excellent local engineers pretty busy.
 

Farmer JonB

Member
Mixed Farmer
Both local JD dealers do a Stirling job. Mason kings I understand sell more gators than any other JD dealership in the UK.

The Smallridges Brothers have been JD dealers for 30 years , but as we know brand loyalty means nothing nowadays.
Can see the whole of the south west being one dealer just wonder what JD will consider the being the South West
Dealer in Cornwall just built massive new premises that could be interesting
 

Farmer JonB

Member
Mixed Farmer
Could be wrong, but I was under the impression that Deere had put some of the money in themselves for the new CFM depot
Can’t see the owner of CFM needing a hand out from JD to be honest.
Would be able to let that premises for anything if the JD job goes sour
Losing KV must have been a fair kick for them as well
 

Farmer JonB

Member
Mixed Farmer
For the far SW this is all complete bo**ocks

Just done a search on Companies House and last stated Turnover for accounts declared in 2019 are
Masons £30.8m
Smallridges £22.3m
Cornwall Farmers Machinery (no turnover figure but net assets on balance sheet only £1.2m)

So if all 3 combine they won’t hit £100m turnover and they sure as hell won’t sell 30 combines and 15 foragers in a year. It is nothing short of total madness.
I deal with all three companies and the level of service they all offer is excellent. My closest depot is a Smallridge depot and their service back up is simply superb.
In fairness Masons is 40 miles away but my dealings with them (Vaderstad &Amazone) has also been exemplary.
I have wondered how Cornwall Farm Machinery have kept a JD agency. I can’t fault their backup when I have needed it (Kvetneland - before they lost agency and Sumo) but there trading area is small and bounded by the sea on 3 sides.
Have dealt with CFM in the past but they seem to have real problems keeping staff which in the end cost them our business
 
No he didn't but has stated a lot of times he wouldn't run jds so why comment on a jd thread....
Because their are parallels to what other makes are doing.
We have had masseys for near on 40 years, used to be a dealer just the other side of town, they had branches all over the county and a couple beyond.They were the go to place for allmost everything we needed be it tractors, machinery or spares.
Theyl lost the agency to another dealer who was Massey elsewhere as well as a machinery dealership on the edge of the territory who had been sneaking a few masseys into the area and opened up a new depot to cover the county so on effect two depots covering a larger area than previously covered by six or seven. Despite being further away we continued to deal with them for most of our needs until their demise.
Current dealer is further away again, initially we carried on buting most of our requirements from the Massey dealer lbut over the years have gone to buying more and more machinery closer to home, have turned to using more local independent mechanics and the last tractor purchase after nearly 40 years wasn’t a Massey.
As the dealers have moved further away we have done less and less with them, I haven’t set foot on the Massey dealers yard for at least 18 months, when they were local they were the go to place for bits and bobs, there would be hardly a month that went by that we didn’t go there, might not have been a big spend but it kept us in regular contact with them and as such they were the first to know if we needed anything.

I realise none of that has anything to do with JD directly but it would be very naive to think the same won’t happen with some of their customers.
 

B'o'B

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Rutland
I've following this thread with great interest.
At first, I was indignant at JD for not supporting the local dealer network. The hard truth has gradually dawned on me that they are reacting to the change in my circumstances, not the other way around.
My father bought a new tractor in the 60's, 70's and 80's. I still use them. I could/ should of bought a new tractor in the 00's but chose a lower houred nearly new one.
With the finance available, I could buy a new tractor now but in reality, it would cost the margin on this livestock farm. I'd just be working to pay it off which would be utterly pointless.
According to all the figures, I'm pretty average so the same is probably sadly true for most beef/ sheep farmers.
I'm sure JD have worked out that if I buy a new tractor, it will be a modern copy of what my Dad bought and I'm not worth consideration. I do expect to keep my excellent local engineers pretty busy.
It’s a case of new machines not giving an uplift in productivity that justifies the spend in most cases for the last 25 years.
If a machine is reliable and you’re not looking to expand I have found it impossible to put a business case together that shows I should change a tractor. Working with 30year old tractors that do all the jobs needed, even just the increase in servicing costs of new would make it tricky to justify, let alone the capital outlay. This is in part due to the type of “revenue harvesting” prompted in the CAT article above.
I can see I am likely to be in the market for a tractor in the next 5 years due mainly to the demographics of my workforce, but it will be quite a culture shock when the time does come.
 

james ds

Member
Location
leinster
Because their are parallels to what other makes are doing.
We have had masseys for near on 40 years, used to be a dealer just the other side of town, they had branches all over the county and a couple beyond.They were the go to place for allmost everything we needed be it tractors, machinery or spares.
Theyl lost the agency to another dealer who was Massey elsewhere as well as a machinery dealership on the edge of the territory who had been sneaking a few masseys into the area and opened up a new depot to cover the county so on effect two depots covering a larger area than previously covered by six or seven. Despite being further away we continued to deal with them for most of our needs until their demise.
Current dealer is further away again, initially we carried on buting most of our requirements from the Massey dealer lbut over the years have gone to buying more and more machinery closer to home, have turned to using more local independent mechanics and the last tractor purchase after nearly 40 years wasn’t a Massey.
As the dealers have moved further away we have done less and less with them, I haven’t set foot on the Massey dealers yard for at least 18 months, when they were local they were the go to place for bits and bobs, there would be hardly a month that went by that we didn’t go there, might not have been a big spend but it kept us in regular contact with them and as such they were the first to know if we needed anything.

I realise none of that has anything to do with JD directly but it would be very naive to think the same won’t happen with some of their customers.
I agree totally , anyone who thinks farmers are going to travel for two hrs to buy a particular brand when other equally good brands are for sale locally is away with the fairies. If the dealer who lost the agency after giving great service to his customers gets a good replacement agency then most farmers will stay loyal to him .
 

Vincent

Member
Location
Kildare Ireland
I wouldn't be a big buyer of machinery but would buy a new machine most years smaller items like tedders or a rake that sort of thing and would be more dealer loyal than brand loyal. If stuck I know where I can go and get sorted.
 
I agree totally , anyone who thinks farmers are going to travel for two hrs to buy a particular brand when other equally good brands are for sale locally is away with the fairies. If the dealer who lost the agency after giving great service to his customers gets a good replacement agency then most farmers will stay loyal to him .
I’m sure many will stay brand loyal initially, only over time will they find that a dealer further away isn’t as handy as one close by. Even then they may stay loyal for their JD machines but I suspect these further off dealers won’t pick up all the smaller deals on machinery that a local dealer would, not that that would bother Deere too much if it’s not their machines that are being bought elsewhere but it does let other dealers in the door.
There is also as you say the possibility of the dealer who has lost the Deere franchise getting the agency for another main brand and whilst many will remain brand loyal there’s no doubt some will also stay loyal to a dealer who has given good service and at least continue to support them on non JD machinery and may well give them a chance on another brand of tractor.

I can quite see how as farms become fewer and larger that there isn’t going to be a large enough market for all dealers to continue however i can’t see farmers all staying loyal to a brand when the manufacturer takes the agency off a good dealer and gives it to someone further away however in this case it’s Deeres right to decide what they think is right for them but it could also present opportunities for others to their detriment.
 

D14

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I've following this thread with great interest.
At first, I was indignant at JD for not supporting the local dealer network. The hard truth has gradually dawned on me that they are reacting to the change in my circumstances, not the other way around.
My father bought a new tractor in the 60's, 70's and 80's. I still use them. I could/ should of bought a new tractor in the 00's but chose a lower houred nearly new one.
With the finance available, I could buy a new tractor now but in reality, it would cost the margin on this livestock farm. I'd just be working to pay it off which would be utterly pointless.
According to all the figures, I'm pretty average so the same is probably sadly true for most beef/ sheep farmers.
I'm sure JD have worked out that if I buy a new tractor, it will be a modern copy of what my Dad bought and I'm not worth consideration. I do expect to keep my excellent local engineers pretty busy.

Excellent post. JD think that it’s only worth bothering with the likes of Dyson or Sentry where there is 20,000 acres. I honestly don’t think they are bothered about 1000ac farm let alone anything less.
 

turbo

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Excellent post. JD think that it’s only worth bothering with the likes of Dyson or Sentry where there is 20,000 acres. I honestly don’t think they are bothered about 1000ac farm let alone anything less.
What makes you think that?
 

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