Kent To Be A Restricted Area for HGV's

Those of us who live in the south east have been concerned for some time as to what will happen after 1st January and the realisation that there will be up to 7,000 trucks queuing every day waiting to clear Customs and get to Europe is now accepted as a reality.
Gove in his wisdom has suggested that those of us that need to go into Kent will have to have a permit. I am sure @Wooly who lives right on the Border will be getting ready to man the blockades and possibly issue permits or provide parking at a cost for those not allowed in.

I had a warning letter recently about concerns for Ashford market and how trucks loaded with livestock will be able to have priority getting in and out of the market, however it was accepted that this may be difficult to put in place. Whatever your views on Brexit this will be the pinch point that causes massive issue for trade. What is also not calculated are the numbers of trucks coming in every day that will not have the correct paperwork! Most of the drivers are eastern europeans who can speak a little english but certainly cannot write it and have never had any experience of crossing a national border and the restrictions that will apply.

Don't come to Kent in the first few weeks of next year!!
 

le bon paysan

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Those of us who live in the south east have been concerned for some time as to what will happen after 1st January and the realisation that there will be up to 7,000 trucks queuing every day waiting to clear Customs and get to Europe is now accepted as a reality.
Gove in his wisdom has suggested that those of us that need to go into Kent will have to have a permit. I am sure @Wooly who lives right on the Border will be getting ready to man the blockades and possibly issue permits or provide parking at a cost for those not allowed in.

I had a warning letter recently about concerns for Ashford market and how trucks loaded with livestock will be able to have priority getting in and out of the market, however it was accepted that this may be difficult to put in place. Whatever your views on Brexit this will be the pinch point that causes massive issue for trade. What is also not calculated are the numbers of trucks coming in every day that will not have the correct paperwork! Most of the drivers are eastern europeans who can speak a little english but certainly cannot write it and have never had any experience of crossing a national border and the restrictions that will apply.

Don't come to Kent in the first few weeks of next year!!
I doubt it will be inbound trucks, from the EU, causing the problem!
 
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Just read the reports, and it sounds as if it will be an almight feck up!

Comments suggesting that the Haulage industry are somehow responsible are ludicrous when our Glorious Leaders cannot provide the information or access to the systems on what will be the procedures and paperwork required.

Which port do lamb exports go through?
Almost all lamb exports are through Dover on unaccompanied Reefers.
 
Just read the reports, and it sounds as if it will be an almight feck up!

Comments suggesting that the Haulage industry are somehow responsible are ludicrous, when our Glorious Leaders cannot provide the information or access to the systems on what will be the procedures and paperwork required.

Which port do lamb exports go through?

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The IT system which is supposed to facilitate exports is as yet not in place. It is untested. And there are less than 3 months to the end of the Transition period.


We deserve better than this.
 

Deutzdx3

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It's ok we have a plan to use the immigrants boats to send the lamb back! The fast RIB's can cross much faster than a ferry!!
You're not keeping up with what happened to the ribs stored in Dover, a load of engines were stolen few weeks back. Might be ribs sitting there but they aren't fast any longer
 

Wooly

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Gove in his wisdom has suggested that those of us that need to go into Kent will have to have a permit. I am sure @Wooly who lives right on the Border will be getting ready to man the blockades and possibly issue permits or provide parking at a cost for those not allowed in.

I can see an opportunity coming my way. Do I go for the secret tunnel under the border or a giant lorry park !?! :unsure:

This time next year Rodney...................... 🍾🥂:D




P.S. One thing I have learnt in life, nothing is ever as bad as some doom mongers make you believe it will be. If we listen to the voices of doom, then a few extra lorries in Kent will be insignificant to the fact most of us will be dead from Covid by then !! ;)
 

caveman

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I'm struggling to think of a reason why one would take a truck into Kent, unless one had business there.
How many years is it now, that permits have been needed to take trucks into London?
 

delilah

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I don't know what the going rate for being a labourer on a building site is, but know a lad who is pleased as punch that he is has getting £18/hr at the lorry park at Ashford, he says it's all a bit frantic.
 

Cowslip

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I purchased sheep from Ashford a few weeks ago and it took 4 hours to get home because of the Dartford crossing, it should only take me an hour. Puts me off going there anyway so if there are problems in January I will definately not be going. Such a shame as have been using Ashford for alot of years. I cant be the only one thinking this.
 
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My fear is the above and everything else is bound to effect the sheep trade
The way its going it will be quicker to cross the channel with a lorry load of sheep in Jan than it will take to get the paperwork for them at Exeter @cattleman123:ROFLMAO:

On the sheep price front, record prices being achieved in Australia/ NZ currently due to very high demand from china and of course very low sheep numbers worldwide so its very unlikely a no deal brexit will affect the sheep trade for long with the exeception of a few weeks in Jan when the new system kicks in.

As for these long lorry queues, are the numbers based on pre corvid numbers or current numbers? because current numbers of lorry movements across the channel are much lower than pre March and are likely to stay that way for at least another 12 months so the queues may not be anywhere near as bad as what have been predicted!
 

farmerm

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Shropshire
The way its going it will be quicker to cross the channel with a lorry load of sheep in Jan than it will take to get the paperwork for them at Exeter @cattleman123:ROFLMAO:

On the sheep price front, record prices being achieved in Australia/ NZ currently due to very high demand from china and of course very low sheep numbers worldwide so its very unlikely a no deal brexit will affect the sheep trade for long with the exeception of a few weeks in Jan when the new system kicks in.

As for these long lorry queues, are the numbers based on pre corvid numbers or current numbers? because current numbers of lorry movements across the channel are much lower than pre March and are likely to stay that way for at least another 12 months so the queues may not be anywhere near as bad as what have been predicted!
Something like 95% of our sheep meat exports goes to Europe, are you telling us that new markets and supply chains to none EU destinations will arise for this material in just a couple of weeks in January? If none EU demand for sheep meat is so rosy and so lucrative why have our exporters been letting us down so badly by continuing to remain so reliant on EU customers, why are we not already taking advantage of this great international export opportunity??

Perhaps this graph tells part of the story. New Zealand lamb farmgate deadweight value is about 30% lower than ours, New Zealand a country already with well organized supply chains for international sheep meat exports... I have no doubts the rest of the world will queue up to take British lamb but it will have to be priced much closer to New Zealand values that our current levels. Perhaps it is not so great an opportunity...

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Something like 95% of our sheep meat exports goes to Europe, are you telling us that new markets and supply chains to none EU destinations will arise for this material in just a couple of weeks in January? If none EU demand for sheep meat is so rosy and so lucrative why have our exporters been letting us down so badly by continuing to remain so reliant on EU customers, why are we not already taking advantage of this great international export opportunity??

Perhaps this graph tells part of the story. New Zealand lamb farmgate deadweight value is about 30% lower than ours, New Zealand a country already with well organized supply chains for international sheep meat exports... I have no doubts the rest of the world will queue up to take British lamb but it will have to be priced much closer to New Zealand values that our current levels. Perhaps it is not so great an opportunity...

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Is Australian lamb allowed into the UK?
 

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