Land requirements for cows plus followers

[letsmakemilk]

Morning all,

I've been looking at land requirements and there's plenty of information on requirements for spring grazed cattle.
I was wondering however, what the total land requirements would be for a more AYR-type higher production system with all forages produced by yourself, for example:

100 cows average MBW of 650kg yielding approx. 10,000 litres on a TMR diet
30 1+ year old heifers
30 less than 1 year old heifers

Is anyone set-up like this? Or got the figures needed to work this out? Perhaps a figure for what could be done if everything was perfectly efficient and what could be done with reasonable efficiency would be a good place to start.

Thanks!

 

[pappuller]

we run 180 milking cattle av 10500 on robots on 180 acres but have a surplus of forage in a normal year, last year we had to purchase heavily. we purchase all concentrate and straw. we have managed on 160 acres until a couple of years ago but have had to buy extra forage from time to time.

 

[buffalo_soldier]

Location would be a factor.

Need more ac the further north you travel sadly.

 

[More to life]

Forage requirements are much the same for a 6000 liter cow as a 10000 liter cow

 

[I thats it]

we run 180 milking cattle av 10500 on robots on 180 acres but have a surplus of forage in a normal year, last year we had to purchase heavily. we purchase all concentrate and straw. we have managed on 160 acres until a couple of years ago but have had to buy extra forage from time to time.

Any youngstock?

 

[bigw]

Location would be a factor.

Need more ac the further north you travel sadly.

Yes, I'm not going to shame myself with my stocking rate!

 

[Blue.]

2800cows on 900acres not far away.

Myself 10200 litres/acre including youngstock,I do however buy in a lot of acres,mainly from the USA.

 

[Beef farmer]

2800cows on 900acres not far away.

Myself 10200 litres/acre including youngstock,I do however buy in a lot of acres,mainly from the USA.

2800 over 900, hope the farm is slightly drier than yours

 

[bigw]

2800cows on 900acres not far away.

Myself 10200 litres/acre including youngstock,I do however buy in a lot of acres,mainly from the USA.

Does he milk cows out in Eastern Europe as well?

 

[pappuller]

Any youngstock?

Don't be silly[emoji23]

 

[Blue.]

Does he milk cows out in Eastern Europe as well?

Yes

2800 over 900, hope the farm is slightly drier than yours

Slightly less rain but wetter ground.

 

[DairyGrazing]

Doing a cow to the acre alone is fair going

 

[Blue.]

Doing a cow to the acre alone is fair going

Chap who farmed here in the 70s tried,owned the farm lock stock and barrel,by 1980 he was bust and the bank took the lot.

 

[Beef farmer]

Chap who farmed here in the 70s tried,owned the farm lock stock and barrel,by 1980 he was bust and the bank took the lot.

Why?

 

[Blue.]

Why?

A third of the land is marginal,more suited to sheep.

It suits 365day housing with youngstock grazing the hills.

 

[Rossymons]

Cow to the acre won't leave you too far out if it's sums on the back of an envelope

 

[Paul E]

A Jersey cow/ acre may be better than a holstein cow/acre

 

[som farmer]

Morning all,

I've been looking at land requirements and there's plenty of information on requirements for spring grazed cattle.
I was wondering however, what the total land requirements would be for a more AYR-type higher production system with all forages produced by yourself, for example:

100 cows average MBW of 650kg yielding approx. 10,000 litres on a TMR diet
30 1+ year old heifers
30 less than 1 year old heifers

Is anyone set-up like this? Or got the figures needed to work this out? Perhaps a figure for what could be done if everything was perfectly efficient and what could be done with reasonable efficiency would be a good place to start.

Thanks!

what part of the country are you in? if you are in a big arable area, swop crop for sh!t, works well, you could keep 2 hols, or 3 j / jx to the acre!

 

[letsmakemilk]

what part of the country are you in? if you are in a big arable area, swop crop for sh!t, works well, you could keep 2 hols, or 3 j / jx to the acre!

Somerset, can grow some good grass

 

[som farmer]

Somerset, can grow some good grass

but our festololiums were great last year, awful this, as the summer go's on we are noticing a lot of leys are looking thin,
and they have had sh#t sulphur and nitrogen.