Leadsom admits uncertainty over post-Brexit environmental laws

[RobFZS]

It was "support and assurances" the government supplied Nissan.

How much support was also not disclosed.

So we don't know how much money Nissan will receive to subsidise their car assembly in the currently united kingdom.

We don't know how much more they'll receive when the EU imposes import duties on cars once the currently united kingdom is no longer part of the free trade market.







At least this adds weight to the Brexit supporters who believe that the currently united kingdom's agricultural industry will be able to compete in the market without agricultural subsidies when the rest of the EU still receive them.......

Oh no, wait, errrrr, Nissan has obtained undisclosed "support and assurances"......

Bugger.

Well any type of direct subsidy would be against WTO rules, but lets assume she'll go for the EEA option with these assurances to continue tarrif free trade with the EU.

Well i and many other's can compete without subs, if you can't, get out, plenty more farmers about that will take over the farms of the inefficient, why is that such an issue? :s

Not that subsidies will be removed, too many Mp's with land that claim.

Humanity thrives on innovation, not being doled out some cash to pee way endlessly.

 

[exmoor dave]

It was "support and assurances" the government supplied Nissan.

How much support was also not disclosed.

So we don't know how much money Nissan will receive to subsidise their car assembly in the currently united kingdom.

We don't know how much more they'll receive when the EU imposes import duties on cars once the currently united kingdom is no longer part of the free trade market.







At least this adds weight to the Brexit supporters who believe that the currently united kingdom's agricultural industry will be able to compete in the market without agricultural subsidies when the rest of the EU still receive them.......

Oh no, wait, errrrr, Nissan has obtained undisclosed "support and assurances"......

Bugger.

That was kinda my point...... The assurances weren't disclosed.
Something rather special (for nissian) I imagine.


Interesting point regards import duties on cars to the EU, wonder how well that will work the other way round with French and German cars coming here...... my guess there won't be any duties either way (on cars at least).

Any-ho just reporting the news, haven't got any interest in bickering over Brixit, you guys seem to be managing that just fine so I'll leave it to you

I would be interested however to know if folk from either camp are actually doing anything about influencing ag policy beyond arguing on forums?

 

[wasted years]

That was kinda my point...... The assurances weren't disclosed.
Something rather special (for nissian) I imagine.


Interesting point regards import duties on cars to the EU, wonder how well that will work the other way round with French and German cars coming here...... my guess there won't be any duties either way (on cars at least).

Any-ho just reporting the news, haven't got any interest in bickering over Brixit, you guys seem to be managing that just fine so I'll leave it to you

I would be interested however to know if folk from either camp are actually doing anything about influencing ag policy beyond arguing on forums?

Hope springs eternal with you!
Influence ag policy?
Good luck with that.

 

[ollie989898]

Well any type of direct subsidy would be against WTO rules, but lets assume she'll go for the EEA option with these assurances to continue tarrif free trade with the EU.

Well i and many other's can compete without subs, if you can't, get out, plenty more farmers about that will take over the farms of the inefficient, why is that such an issue? :s

Not that subsidies will be removed, too many Mp's with land that claim.

Humanity thrives on innovation, not being doled out some cash to pee way endlessly.

Subsidies will go, you wait. I'd put money on it.

No UK government of any colour will pay them forever- it makes utterly no sense to do so.

 

[wasted years]

Subsidies will go, you wait. I'd put money on it.

No UK government of any colour will pay them forever- it makes utterly no sense to do so.

I'll bet you are wrong, all those civil servants out on their ear, the politicians haven't the guts.
'They' will pay so much just to keep tempers in check on farm as the inspectors arrive on farm to measure bee ears and hedge smells.
Spending on farm subs is governmental pocket change in the scheme of things, the power wielded upon us on the back of it is too great to lose.

 

[Hilly]

So we cut ourselves off from the biggest market for our produce.

We don't actually get any reduction in red tape, inspections, rule requirements, or restrictions.

We wait while the politicians decide what, if any changes, will be made to the bulk of EU legislation.

We hold our breath (and overdraft facility) for many years to come that some sort of trade agreement can be made with our biggest market. Canada has been trying for that same trade agreement for SEVEN YEARS, only to have it rejected by a small province in Belgium because they are worried about beef imports undermining their own production.

If you believe the EU will treat the currently united kingdom any better than Canada, then you are nieve beyond contempt.




Brexit: how to change nothing for the better, and farming livelihoods for the worse.

Canada and EU have now agreed. Thats good.

 

[DrDunc]

Canada and EU have now agreed. Thats good.

Yawn.

Seven years......Big chiller needed to store all your perishable lamb while the currently united kingdom deal is struck.

Better off just planting trees while the forestry grants are still there to pay the mortgage.

 

[ollie989898]

I'll bet you are wrong, all those civil servants out on their ear, the politicians haven't the guts.
'They' will pay so much just to keep tempers in check on farm as the inspectors arrive on farm to measure bee ears and hedge smells.
Spending on farm subs is governmental pocket change in the scheme of things, the power wielded upon us on the back of it is too great to lose.

The Government would not step in and subsidise the numerous coal or steel companies that have folded or merged or been acquired over the years, despite it perhaps being politically expedient at the time.

You think they have a small place in their hearts for agriculture and will continue handing over millions of pounds when the economy and other areas of public spending will score far more political points?

I doubt it. They aren't interested in a cottage industry populated by people who will vote blue or yellow anyway.

What 'power' do they need to rein over farmers? You are already stuck with trading standards and the EA regulations anyway, subsidy or not.

Subsidies will go in time.

 

[le bon paysan]

Canada and EU have now agreed. Thats good.

NO, really it's not.

 

[Guy Smith]

[edited to correct spelling mistakes made in frustration]
@Guy Smith summed up this fiasco rather politely [from the link given]:


Guy Smith: Doesn’t that rather beg the question as to where the European Union is headed in the future? Part of our challenge as a representative body for farmers is that we are very aware that the situation is quite volatile. Although we are keen to distil from our members what they want out of the future and show some certainty and some leadership, we will have to remain very politically light-footed. With respect to you ladies and gentlemen, I am not sure you know what is coming and what water is going to flow under the bridge over the next two or three years. This is where we are at the moment.

Basically you lot haven't a clue and you expect us to respond to ill thought out, made up on the hoof laws immediately. We FARM FFS, not run a software company.

There are a bunch of NIMBY's [go and destroy the environment elsewhere to make food] that have the upper hand at the moment and it looks very very difficult to respond to as there is NO direction.

Scuppered by politicians with slogans and people that have the ears of the public with nothing between their wears to think about the 5, 10 50 year impact of what they decide,

What a godwaful mess.

No leadership, no vision and no plan.

Thanks for the heads up as I hadn't seen the Hansard version of my time in front of the EASC. Always strange to see your spoken words transcribed but that's a fair version.

More generally with 80% of MPs in the commons voting for remain then Brexit is going to be messy but I think it's important that the farming industry sees it as opportunity rather than threat while not being naive about the dangers. We can but give it our best shot. The vote is cast so I doubt it is worth revisiting the debate up to June 23rd which I agree was pretty poor.

 

[wanton dwarf]

The Government would not step in and subsidise the numerous coal or steel companies that have folded or merged or been acquired over the years, despite it perhaps being politically expedient at the time.

You think they have a small place in their hearts for agriculture and will continue handing over millions of pounds when the economy and other areas of public spending will score far more political points?

I doubt it. They aren't interested in a cottage industry populated by people who will vote blue or yellow anyway.

What 'power' do they need to rein over farmers? You are already stuck with trading standards and the EA regulations anyway, subsidy or not.

Subsidies will go in time.

The environment is a gold mine of highly paid jobs for doing very little.

10,000s of "good for nothings" employed with a large salary, company car, bonuses and of course fat managers with massive salary + pension.

Agriculture ? It will get something but I doubt HMG will change much at all ...

But we have the first step, 100% accountability.

If you, me & everyone else in farming got hold of our balls and created a new organisation with the voice of farmers + workers, farm supply industries and those using farm produce we'd be a very large force to be recogned with.

Want to get relevant post Brexit ? Don't wait until it happens to us - make it happen !

 

[wasted years]

The environment is a gold mine of highly paid jobs for doing very little.

10,000s of "good for nothings" employed with a large salary, company car, bonuses and of course fat managers with massive salary + pension.

Agriculture ? It will get something but I doubt HMG will change much at all ...

But we have the first step, 100% accountability.

If you, me & everyone else in farming got hold of our balls and created a new organisation with the voice of farmers + workers, farm supply industries and those using farm produce we'd be a very large force to be recogned with.

Want to get relevant post Brexit ? Don't wait until it happens to us - make it happen !

Lead the way then.

 

[opininionated]

[edited to correct spelling mistakes made in frustration]
@Guy Smith summed up this fiasco rather politely [from the link given]:


Guy Smith: Doesn’t that rather beg the question as to where the European Union is headed in the future? Part of our challenge as a representative body for farmers is that we are very aware that the situation is quite volatile. Although we are keen to distil from our members what they want out of the future and show some certainty and some leadership, we will have to remain very politically light-footed. With respect to you ladies and gentlemen, I am not sure you know what is coming and what water is going to flow under the bridge over the next two or three years. This is where we are at the moment.

Basically you lot haven't a clue and you expect us to respond to ill thought out, made up on the hoof laws immediately. We FARM FFS, not run a software company.

There are a bunch of NIMBY's [go and destroy the environment elsewhere to make food] that have the upper hand at the moment and it looks very very difficult to respond to as there is NO direction.

Scuppered by politicians with slogans and people that have the ears of the public with nothing between their wears to think about the 5, 10 50 year impact of what they decide,

What a godwaful mess.

No leadership, no vision and no plan.

Just to clarify, which paragraphs of the above are attributable to @Guy Smith

 

[wanton dwarf]

[edited to correct spelling mistakes made in frustration]
@Guy Smith summed up this fiasco rather politely [from the link given]:


Guy Smith: Doesn’t that rather beg the question as to where the European Union is headed in the future? Part of our challenge as a representative body for farmers is that we are very aware that the situation is quite volatile. Although we are keen to distil from our members what they want out of the future and show some certainty and some leadership, we will have to remain very politically light-footed. With respect to you ladies and gentlemen, I am not sure you know what is coming and what water is going to flow under the bridge over the next two or three years. This is where we are at the moment.

Basically you lot haven't a clue and you expect us to respond to ill thought out, made up on the hoof laws immediately. We FARM FFS, not run a software company.

There are a bunch of NIMBY's [go and destroy the environment elsewhere to make food] that have the upper hand at the moment and it looks very very difficult to respond to as there is NO direction.

Scuppered by politicians with slogans and people that have the ears of the public with nothing between their wears to think about the 5, 10 50 year impact of what they decide,

What a godwaful mess.

No leadership, no vision and no plan.

Thanks for the heads up as I hadn't seen the Hansard version of my time in front of the EASC. Always strange to see your spoken words transcribed but that's a fair version.

More generally with 80% of MPs in the commons voting for remain then Brexit is going to be messy but I think it's important that the farming industry sees it as opportunity rather than threat while not being naive about the dangers. We can but give it our best shot. The vote is cast so I doubt it is worth revisiting the debate up to June 23rd which I agree was pretty poor.

I'll make this as clear as I can.

Either start representing those who voted to Leave the EU or get pushed out.

Pretending that:

"There are a bunch of NIMBY's [go and destroy the environment elsewhere to make food] that have the upper hand at the moment and it looks very very difficult to respond to as there is NO direction."

Is in your head, 17.4 million people voted to throw the EU rules in the dustbin.

You have their full support.

FK the 80% of MPs who voted Remain.

 

[DrDunc]

I'll make this as clear as I can.

Either start representing those who voted to Leave the EU or get pushed out.

Pretending that:

"There are a bunch of NIMBY's [go and destroy the environment elsewhere to make food] that have the upper hand at the moment and it looks very very difficult to respond to as there is NO direction."

Is in your head, 17.4 million people voted to throw the EU rules in the dustbin.

You have their full support.

FK the 80% of MPs who voted Remain.

But that's the point of this thread, it's being stated that they WON'T be throwing the rules into the bin.

The Brexit vote is just going to cause the bureaucracratic leaches and environmentalist lobbyists to increase in number and siphon off any funding that has been provided to the agricultural industry.

What's the Brexit plan to prevent this?

Oh aye, like everything else to do with exiting Europe, there is no plan.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Lead the way then.

I'm a single farmer - currently going to concreting and then going to WASTE ENTIRELY another night of my life on Red Tractor documentation.

I'll not have any time until post 9pm tonight - it's been that way for months now and in return I get a pittance.

FKing get rid of this USELESS paperwork.

And if the "environmental" knobs go on about farm subsidies start hitting them with demands for reductions in the grants they get off HMG combined with a demand that charities not performing charity work involving themselves in politics HAVE to face the electorate & pay taxes as a business - we live in a democracy not a "Charity Dictatorship".

 

[wanton dwarf]

But that's the point of this thread, it's being stated that they WON'T be throwing the rules into the bin.

The Brexit vote is just going to cause the bureaucracratic leaches and environmentalist lobbyists to increase in number and siphon off any funding that has been provided to the agricultural industry.

What's the Brexit plan to prevent this?

Oh aye, like everything else to do with exiting Europe, there is no plan.

"The Brexit vote is just going to cause the bureaucracratic leaches and environmentalist lobbyists to increase in number and siphon off any funding that has been provided to the agricultural industry."

It will do if you sit there and accept it.

Then we'll have to fight them in a general election.

17.4 million people is a majority - start advocating your rights as the majority not cow towing ... WTF is anyone with any balls !?!?!

I got to go work.

 

[wasted years]

I'm a single farmer - currently going to concreting and then going to WASTE ENTIRELY another night of my life on Red Tractor documentation.

I'll not have any time until post 9pm tonight - it's been that way for months now and in return I get a pittance.

FKing get rid of this USELESS paperwork.

And if the "environmental" knobs go on about farm subsidies start hitting them with demands for reductions in the grants they get off HMG combined with a demand that charities not performing charity work involving themselves in politics HAVE to face the electorate & pay taxes as a business - we live in a democracy not a "Charity Dictatorship".

Ahh yes the old 'I haven't got time' excuse.
Because everyone else s farm runs itself.

 

[roscoe erf]

But that's the point of this thread, it's being stated that they WON'T be throwing the rules into the bin.

The Brexit vote is just going to cause the bureaucracratic leaches and environmentalist lobbyists to increase in number and siphon off any funding that has been provided to the agricultural industry.

What's the Brexit plan to prevent this?

Oh aye, like everything else to do with exiting Europe, there is no plan.

Why are you worried about brexit you'll be back in the EU once you've got independence Nicola says so so it must be true

 

[DrDunc]

Why are you worried about brexit you'll be back in the EU once you've got independence Nicola says so do it must be true

And Johnson said the NHS would gain £350 million a minute when out of Europe.

Politicians and their promises huh