Lock downs

arcobob

Member
Location
Norfolk
I have heard local lockdowns described as closing off the corner of a swimming pool when someone has peed in it which I thought was a fitting analogy.

The whole virus-control business based on testing to find cases is a self-licking lollipop which was inadvertently made clear by the director of public health for Peterborough and Cambridgeshire the other day on the radio. Throughout the plague Cambs has a pretty low level of recorded cases and the director started off with the official line that if you have symptoms you must get a test.

However on being probed by the presenter she admitted that getting a test in Cambs could be difficult and you'd have to be persistent because due to there being a low level of recorded cases there's not many test bobbins available - test bobbins perceived to be surplus are being sent north to areas with a higher case incidence. Of course that means people in Cambs are not getting tested which is keeping case numbers low.

Anyone with a functioning braincell can work out that therefore it's better not to get tested and life can carry on as normal as possible, although I'm pretty sure that wasn't her intended take-home message :rolleyes:
I just heard of a local man who has been diagnosed with lymphoma. In order to commence treatment he was tested for covid. I think they did four tests, two were positive and two negative. I know of other instances where similar things have happened. Is the test so unreliable and if so why? People`s lives are being ruined by wrongly contrived information. If they test 500 students or factory workers and 150 test positive there is likely to be a major problem but on an individual basis a single test result has to be accurate.
 

robs1

Member
I just heard of a local man who has been diagnosed with lymphoma. In order to commence treatment he was tested for covid. I think they did four tests, two were positive and two negative. I know of other instances where similar things have happened. Is the test so unreliable and if so why? People`s lives are being ruined by wrongly contrived information. If they test 500 students or factory workers and 150 test positive there is likely to be a major problem but on an individual basis a single test result has to be accurate.
I think the problem is if you only have a small viral load it's very easy for the swabs to not pick up enough to give a positive test, I have people say that a lot depends on the person doing the test, a bit like some AI men they dont hit the spot 😁
 

hoff135

Member
Location
scotland
I dont get why people are putting more significance into covid deaths compared to for example flu.

If someone caught covid from me and died i would be branded as a murderer but if i gave someone flu and they died nothing would be said.

Why dont we lockdown for flu which can kill thousands every winter?

What makes there death unimportant but if its covid its a tragedy.

Flu vaccine is available to protect the vulnerable but it only gives 50% protection therefore it still kills.

It looks like a covid vaccine could be the same but people are talking about restrictions being in place for a very long time, if not forever.
 

Still Farming

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
South Wales UK
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Ashtree

Member
What this about the medical advisory body in the ROI recommending a "level 5" step to the Government? @Ashtree

To be honest, I couldn’t believe my ears, when I heard it. That said the numbers are rising towards an unsustainable level. Hospital and ICU beds, could be overwhelmed in a month we are warned. In the end though, the government has pushed back and put the whole country on level 3.
What’s the story in NI though? Numbers I see suggest it’s up to four times the ROI average!!
Then I saw a clip on RTE news this evening about the level of cross border traffic, showed shoppers from south coast, shopping in Belfast today! Apparently there is a big number of people from NI commuting to Dublin daily for work! If you ask me, the whole island could get overwhelmed, unless every single inhabitant on the island, takes utter personal responsibility.
 

Ashtree

Member
I dont get why people are putting more significance into covid deaths compared to for example flu.

If someone caught covid from me and died i would be branded as a murderer but if i gave someone flu and they died nothing would be said.

Why dont we lockdown for flu which can kill thousands every winter?

What makes there death unimportant but if its covid its a tragedy.

Flu vaccine is available to protect the vulnerable but it only gives 50% protection therefore it still kills.

It looks like a covid vaccine could be the same but people are talking about restrictions being in place for a very long time, if not forever.

Common flu and coronavirus are two different animals. Covid has much, much more potential the infect the population and overwhelm the health services.
 

le bon paysan

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin, France
To be honest, I couldn’t believe my ears, when I heard it. That said the numbers are rising towards an unsustainable level. Hospital and ICU beds, could be overwhelmed in a month we are warned. In the end though, the government has pushed back and put the whole country on level 3.
What’s the story in NI though? Numbers I see suggest it’s up to four times the ROI average!!
Then I saw a clip on RTE news this evening about the level of cross border traffic, showed shoppers from south coast, shopping in Belfast today! Apparently there is a big number of people from NI commuting to Dublin daily for work! If you ask me, the whole island could get overwhelmed, unless every single inhabitant on the island, takes utter personal responsibility.
Doesn't NI struggle to cope with a bad flu season? Sure we were told that its hard getting treatment, beds in corridors etc , long wait to be seen ?
 

Pasty

Member
Location
Devon
I just heard of a local man who has been diagnosed with lymphoma. In order to commence treatment he was tested for covid. I think they did four tests, two were positive and two negative. I know of other instances where similar things have happened. Is the test so unreliable and if so why? People`s lives are being ruined by wrongly contrived information. If they test 500 students or factory workers and 150 test positive there is likely to be a major problem but on an individual basis a single test result has to be accurate.
This is a major problem. I listened to an interview with an ex senior medical advisor to one of the big pharmas. I think he was called Yeates but he was highly educated and with zero agenda. He said that you could have fully recovered from a mild case of Covid and test positive months later.
 

nivilla1982

Member
Livestock Farmer
To be honest, I couldn’t believe my ears, when I heard it. That said the numbers are rising towards an unsustainable level. Hospital and ICU beds, could be overwhelmed in a month we are warned. In the end though, the government has pushed back and put the whole country on level 3.
What’s the story in NI though? Numbers I see suggest it’s up to four times the ROI average!!
Then I saw a clip on RTE news this evening about the level of cross border traffic, showed shoppers from south coast, shopping in Belfast today! Apparently there is a big number of people from NI commuting to Dublin daily for work! If you ask me, the whole island could get overwhelmed, unless every single inhabitant on the island, takes utter personal responsibility.
Couple of GAA county club finals and celebrations in some areas probably a contributory factor.
 

Raider112

Member
How may weeks layer?
First spike, deaths closely followed infections.
Not happening this time.
Because last time round the only people who got tested were the ones who went to hospital so they were further down the road than now when anybody with symptoms gets a test. Hospitalisations and deaths are already on the rise unfortunately.
 

Pasty

Member
Location
Devon
We were told all this last time though and at the same time, some hospital staff were saying it simply wasn't true and they were only busy practicing their tik tok dances. All very strange.
 

Lowland1

Member
Mixed Farmer
As I have written on numerous occasions my daughter was treated by two doctors and kept in an empty hospital overnight in April in the middle of the crisis with a broken finger because they had nothing to do.
 

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