Lower disturbance subsoiler

[Northdowns Martin]

Need to ‘lift’ a few field post harvest, looking at my current options in the machinery paddock I have a Sumo Trio, Carrier and a Heva 5 leg subsoiler. My guess is Heva would be best, but worried about the amount of disturbance. Would changing the legs and point help reduce? I’m thinking something like Metcalfe or Tillso

 

[YELROM]

We are in a similar position having a few fields that could do with lifting and was thinking of getting an old subsoiler and fitting Metcalfe NG legs so interested in the reply’s

 

[alomy75]

There’s an old thread about exactly this somewhere on here; various options of discs in front of the subsoiler; levelling paddles on the back etc along with LD legs. Personally I quite like the look of the opico stealth but haven’t seen one up close and personal yet. I have simba LD’s in a flatliner ; a 5 leg version with full width wings/full length legs and a 7 leg where for this year I’ve cut half of the wing-width off. Legs are closer and shallower on this machine. Plus I’ve just obtained some Great Plains opener discs so going to try bodging one on each machine to see if they make a difference.

 

[Simon Chiles]

Need to ‘lift’ a few field post harvest, looking at my current options in the machinery paddock I have a Sumo Trio, Carrier and a Heva 5 leg subsoiler. My guess is Heva would be best, but worried about the amount of disturbance. Would changing the legs and point help reduce? I’m thinking something like Metcalfe or Tillso

Lupins. Forget the subsoiler idea.

 

[YELROM]

Lupins. Forget the subsoiler idea.

Do lupins open the soil up, only ever known a neighbour grow them about 20yrs ago and didn’t seem a great success

 

[Simon Chiles]

Do lupins open the soil up, only ever known a neighbour grow them about 20yrs ago and didn’t seem a great success

I had an area ( about an acre ) that Network Rail used all winter to park machines on ( on aluminium tracking) to replace a railway bridge. Had cranes big enough to lift the bridge, 8 wheelers, dumpers and 10 million vans ( although probably only two vans with people that actually did any work ) on the area until late April. I decided that it was a bit late to do anything useful with so planted a cover crop of triticale, wheat, oats, vetch, mustard and Lupins, basically all the odd bits of seed I had left over. Nothing apart from the Lupins grew but they were so good I actually harvested them. Had a crop in it ever since and I’d defy anyone to tell me where the soil had been damaged.
I noted that one of the cover crop suppliers were suggesting that tillage radish had rooting potential nearly equal to a Lupin, based on my experience I’d suggest that the Lupin is a useful tool in the dd armoury especially when coupled with its N fixing and root exudates that make P more available to the following crop.

 

[Bob lincs]

Fit quivogne LD legs to your Heva . A cheap and easy solution.

 

[Northdowns Martin]

Lupins. Forget the subsoiler idea.

Thought you told me they don’t like alkaline soils

 

[Simon Chiles]

Thought you told me they don’t like alkaline soils

Blues don’t, whites are ok up to pH 7.9

 

[Northdowns Martin]

Fit quivogne LD legs to your Heva . A cheap and easy solution.

Is this the same? They call it a Pluton leg and point

 

[Bob lincs]

Is this the same? They call it a Pluton leg and point

Yes that’s the ones . We brought some steel the same size as the original legs drilled them and just bolted them on . We’ve used these for the last ten years and they work really well . Also can easily swap back to the original legs if deep work is needed .

 

[Fish]

If you gonna get the quivogne, get the one’s with tungsten tiles, it will last way longer.

Got one here, Quivogne SCD, 5 legs with a gutter packer, hasn’t been used for years, as I proved to my own satisfaction years ago, that it’s a waste of blo*dy time.

 

[Jerry]

Heva do their own LD legs and points, Google heva stealth. I have one.

 

[alomy75]

Heva do their own LD legs and points, Google heva stealth. I have one.

Really quite like these…approx cost if you don’t mind me asking?

 

[Jerry]

Really quite like these…approx cost if you don’t mind me asking?

£13k inc del and Vat. Was ex demo and delivery was from Yorkshire to Devon.

 

[Old apprentice]

Just a bit of home made kit low disterbence

 

[Bury the Trash]

Lupins. Forget the subsoiler idea.

chicory is way better.

 

[alomy75]

I do worry about rotational issues with some of these cover crops; lupins are a legume for the pea and bean growers and tillage radish is a brassica for the osr growers. All three of these crops are sensitive to being grown too close together. When I look at the Somme after the beet harvester has gone I struggle to think any crop will repair that before the spring…

 

[EddieB]

I’ve got a Weaving LD on order, will report back in due course.

 

[YELROM]

How low/high disturbance would a McConnell shakearator with a rear packer be