McHale Fusion 3 optional extras

[grass man]

If you break one tine on a camless mchale within a few seconds you need to replace 12 tines. Terrible design

 

[Wellytrack]

Camless is in theory one of those things that if it goes right, it should be a good thing and an improvement.

It will come good one day.

 

[Galcam]

So would u go 3+ with printer and Weigher and forget cam pickup and what about 1000 or 540? I’m worried about lighter PTO shaft and having to use it and 540 mode to clear a blockage? Will u break the shaft?

 

[Wellytrack]

You could probably re yoke the heavy duty shaft to 21 spline anyhow.

 

[d williams]

You could probably re yoke the heavy duty shaft to 21 spline anyhow.

Would think most 1000 shafts are six spline nowadays
With change over via cab

 

[Wellytrack]

Would think most 1000 shafts are six spline nowadays
With change over via cab

Thinking the boys in Mayo would probably send it out for 1000rpm though. Maybe not. It’s hard to cover all eventualities.

 

[Boohoo]

So would u go 3+ with printer and Weigher and forget cam pickup and what about 1000 or 540? I’m worried about lighter PTO shaft and having to use it and 540 mode to clear a blockage? Will u break the shaft?

I'd forget about the printer and weigher, you'll only get customers complaining that some bales are lighter than others. You won't get paid any more per bale and baling by the ton would be a disaster so the extra cost of the printer and weighed won't earn you anything. Unless there have been changes made for 2020 I'd go with the cam pickup if you can get it. I'd stick with 540, I don't see any benefit to 1000rpm

 

[Galcam]

Why have a lighter shaft on 1000? Is it just cutting costs or is there a valid mechanical reason? Any news on NRF, have they improved it? Why go cam less if your going to break tines? I’ve had no issues with my std pickup or 540 driveline. I like the idea of printout showing details of job done. Can one store more than a few customers on the bale count screen as is the vmcase on my F3+?

 

[Blackbird]

Why have a lighter shaft on 1000? Is it just cutting costs or is there a valid mechanical reason? Any news on NRF, have they improved it? Why go cam less if your going to break tines? I’ve had no issues with my std pickup or 540 driveline. I like the idea of printout showing details of job done. Can one store more than a few customers on the bale count screen as is the vmcase on my F3+?

The real heavy shaft is required to absorb vibrations on a 540 gearbox baler, I stand to be corrected? Yes, apparently you can store hundreds of jobs but I’m not sure exactly how it works-are the jobs Recorded under A to H as normal but maybe you then need to type in the customer name and then it’s saved?

 

[Frankzy]

Why have a lighter shaft on 1000? Is it just cutting costs or is there a valid mechanical reason?

1000 rpm means almost half the torque compared to 540 so the shaft doesn't need to be quite as heavy to cope with it.

 

[Blackbird]

I'd forget about the printer and weigher, you'll only get customers complaining that some bales are lighter than others. You won't get paid any more per bale and baling by the ton would be a disaster so the extra cost of the printer and weighed won't earn you anything. Unless there have been changes made for 2020 I'd go with the cam pickup if you can get it. I'd stick with 540, I don't see any benefit to 1000rpm

Apparently the dealers are bringing all the new fusion 3* in with Camless. I’m not interested in the moisture meter as my thoughts are that when the customer wants it baled and whatever moisture it is, it’s getting baled. The weigh option would be of interest for peace of mind because it would allow sensible bale weights to be achieved. In my opinion most operators/ contractors put more into a bale or keep the density setting higher just to be sure and the end of the day everyone knows that a fusion can pack a serious bale but sometimes just less would be more than adequate. The customer only sees the average bale weight on the print out (if u give it out), the operator sees each bale weight after the bale is tipped off so there would be no issues with the customers wondering why the individual bale weights vary.

It’s like having the option of NRF, you might gain a new customer but you are never going to take over the district by having optional extras fitted as at the end of the day it’s more important usually to get to the customer when he wants you and conditions are right.

 

[James]

Personally I've no real issues with the camless. Never broken a tine. Bent plenty tho. Spoon hitch is a good job

 

[Green&Steam]

I don,t understand that, if your already in 540 on a normal box why would being in 1000 make it better for starting up after a blockage. It,s best to avoid blockage at all costs as the stress it puts on the double chain is massive. If you do get a blockage, its best to shut revs right down before re engaging pto. imo

If you have a two speed selectable PTO on the tractor you can change back down to 540 so that you're only attempting to run the Baler at half its usual working speed ,

Only thing is , Is the slip clutch on the Baler set up at A lower torque with 1000 pto input

 

[Blackbird]

If you have a two speed selectable PTO on the tractor you can change back down to 540 so that you're only attempting to run the Baler at half its usual working speed ,

Only thing is , Is the slip clutch on the Baler set up at A lower torque with 1000 pto input

My understanding is that the slip clutch break away torque is the same on both gearbox options! This has to be a huge advantage then when baling for example badly tedded grass with the full set of knives as the shaft torque will not be high enough to trigger the slip clutch?

 

[Boohoo]

Apparently the dealers are bringing all the new fusion 3* in with Camless. I’m not interested in the moisture meter as my thoughts are that when the customer wants it baled and whatever moisture it is, it’s getting baled. The weigh option would be of interest for peace of mind because it would allow sensible bale weights to be achieved. In my opinion most operators/ contractors put more into a bale or keep the density setting higher just to be sure and the end of the day everyone knows that a fusion can pack a serious bale but sometimes just less would be more than adequate. The customer only sees the average bale weight on the print out (if u give it out), the operator sees each bale weight after the bale is tipped off so there would be no issues with the customers wondering why the individual bale weights vary.

It’s like having the option of NRF, you might gain a new customer but you are never going to take over the district by having optional extras fitted as at the end of the day it’s more important usually to get to the customer when he wants you and conditions are right.

I know the customer won't see individual bale weights but if you do give them a print out, and if they know you can print it they'll want it, they'll want to know why today's average weight is different to yesterday's or last week's. I just wouldn't give them any chance to moan. The way the bale hits the back roller of the wrapper is a good enough indication of bale weight for me and it doesn't cost anything.

 

[Boohoo]

Personally I've no real issues with the camless. Never broken a tine. Bent plenty tho. Spoon hitch is a good job

What year is yours? Wondering if the camless has been changed since it was introduced and if those with issues are earlier models than yours.

 

[icanshootwell]

If you have a two speed selectable PTO on the tractor you can change back down to 540 so that you're only attempting to run the Baler at half its usual working speed ,

Only thing is , Is the slip clutch on the Baler set up at A lower torque with 1000 pto input

I still don,t get why you would want to do that,(change pto speeds) if i get a blockage which is rare because on heavy crops i slow up, 1st job shut of pto, than shut revs down to min, drop floor and engage pto, simples. If i did have a 1000 box on baler, i would still leave it in 1000 if i got a blockage. just engage pto on low revs.

 

[Boohoo]

I still don,t get why you would want to do that,(change pto speeds) if i get a blockage which is rare because on heavy crops i slow up, 1st job shut of pto, than shut revs down to min, drop floor and engage pto, simples. If i did have a 1000 box on baler, i would still leave it in 1000 if i got a blockage. just engage pto on low revs.

It's all to do with mechanical sympathy. It's easier on everything if you select a lower pto speed and the blockage is more likely to clear first time. I've no experience of the 1000rpm gearbox but I bale in 540e and change to 540 if I need to clear a blockage.

 

[v8willy]

I still don,t get why you would want to do that,(change pto speeds) if i get a blockage which is rare because on heavy crops i slow up, 1st job shut of pto, than shut revs down to min, drop floor and engage pto, simples. If i did have a 1000 box on baler, i would still leave it in 1000 if i got a blockage. just engage pto on low revs.

If you are on a 25'+ row of heavy, lumpy grass & just as you are finishing the bale putting the net on the baler pulls a big lump in, it's a hard startup to put the lump on through & turn a full chamber as well.
Sometimes have to open the door slightly to make life easier on the tractor & baler, have even had to dump the bale out a few times to get going if it's bad enough.

 

[icanshootwell]

It's all to do with mechanical sympathy. It's easier on everything if you select a lower pto speed and the blockage is more likely to clear first time. I've no experience of the 1000rpm gearbox but I bale in 540e and change to 540 if I need to clear a blockage.

What baler you running? I could,t bale in 540e with mchale fixed chamber, not enough refs on, you would have no power on the hills.