MilkSure!

[In the pit]

A high cell count cow is infectious that's why people tend to keep them separate and milked last . You're talking about management of cows. I too have got a large herd and have high cell count cows in there.

Here is a brief run down of scc that I got speaking to Peter edmondson ( he wrote the book on mastitis)

200 or below no infection
200 - 800 got infection and is fighting it but that can go two ways , down which means she is self curing or up into full blown mastitis
Above 800 full blown infection that needs some kind of treatment

If your pre dipping and post dipping really well you'll be stopping infected cows infecting others which is good management

 

[vantage]

It’s just the fact that a reasonably large herd can carry a high cell count cow with no bulk tank issues and if not infectious then.....

Both my 12 calvers wouldn’t have made it past 6 lactations following your route. Its just being pragmatic

Sorry,not good PR.

 

[Whitewalker]

It’s just the fact that a reasonably large herd can carry a high cell count cow with no bulk tank issues and if not infectious then.....

Both my 12 calvers wouldn’t have made it past 6 lactations following your route. Its just being pragmatic

They are all infectious to some degree. Which in the long term has a negative impact.

 

[Whitewalker]

A high cell count cow is infectious that's why people tend to keep them separate and milked last . You're talking about management of cows. I too have got a large herd and have high cell count cows in there.

Here is a brief run down of scc that I got speaking to Peter edmondson ( he wrote the book on mastitis)

200 or below no infection
200 - 800 got infection and is fighting it but that can go two ways , down which means she is self curing or up into full blown mastitis
Above 800 full blown infection that needs some kind of treatment

If your pre dipping and post dipping really well you'll be stopping infected cows infecting others which is good management

Surely cross infection happens in the liner nothing to do with pre/post dipping

 

[lazy farmer]

Sorry,not good PR.

Why?
Also we have moved away from routine interference in the parlour. And as well as saving 2 minutes a row which is vital with a simple parlour unsurprisingly teat end damage has disappeared cell count had fallen and we treat/get very very little mastitis now. And use even less antibiotics.
Good tracks good cubicle management are vital of course. It’s all about prevention outside the parlour trying to salvage poor management in the parlour is just a relentless grind.

 

[vantage]

Why?
Also we have moved away from routine interference in the parlour. And as well as saving 2 minutes a row which is vital with a simple parlour unsurprisingly teat end damage has disappeared cell count had fallen and we treat very very little mastitis now.
Good tracks good cubicle management are vital of course. It’s all about prevention outside the parlour trying to salvage poor management in the parlour is just a relentless grind.

Why? Its not good policy to put high cells in,don't you recall Heather Mills' rant?
Agree with the rest of your post.As an aside have you considered Duovacs,simple and work well.

 

[Cows 'n grass]

Why? Its not good policy to put high cells in,don't you recall Heather Mills' rant?
Agree with the rest of your post.As an aside have you considered Duovacs,simple and work well.

@sidjon . Duo vac, yay or nay?

I think I know the answer.

 

[som farmer]

For each drug there is an acceptable level of residue for it to pass the dairies test. This level is not necessary zero and the tests that are available for on farm use do not always have the same threshold level as the levels set by the VMD. The delvo test is upto 4 times as sensitive for cepravin as the level set by the VMD and tested for in the dairies but only half as sensitive as the dairies test for some of the tetracyclines.

Basically if you use a product on label or follow cascade and use a 7 day withhold then your chances of failing a test are so minute that it's not really worth testing on farm.

we have had repeat failures with delvo test on fresh calvers, used to use cepravin, that explains a lot !

 

[sidjon]

@sidjon . Duo vac, yay or nay?

I think I know the answer.

A big Nay, most I know who fitted them stopped and I was to tight to fit them

 

[Homesy]

@sidjon . Duo vac, yay or nay?

I think I know the answer.

Do you have a problem with DuoVac ?
Mine work fine Cell count av 120

 

[lazy farmer]

Why? Its not good policy to put high cells in,don't you recall Heather Mills' rant?
Agree with the rest of your post.As an aside have you considered Duovacs,simple and work well.

I can see your point but Tb in the past has always meant that voluntary cull you had earmarked gets to say.

 

[sidjon]

Do you have a problem with DuoVac ?
Mine work fine Cell count av 120

It would probably be exactly the same without them, unless you have too many cups and can't keep up I don't see the point, would rather have the cash in my pocket not in Delaval's

 

[vantage]

A big Nay, most I know who fitted them stopped and I was to tight to fit them

Some stopped here,problems with float jamming with teat seals not being stripped out fully or nor at all. I have had diaghrams fail but ok if you change them promptly,I would not be without them,they were sold as a poor man's( which I probably am!) acr,although can work with acr .

 

[Whitepeak]

So this MilkSure thing, does it mean that all the milking staff need to attend a course or just the herd owner? Only I night milk at a local farm, and there are atleast 10 milking staff (and I've milked with atleast another 10 in 18mths who havent stuck it) most of which do night milkings either regularly or as and when needed. If we all needed to attend a half day course I can't see it happening as most of us have other jobs etc. And it just seems a bit pointless if only one person attends a course when 10 others are tubing cows and milking the treated cows etc. and could potentially put antibiotic milk in the tank by accident.

 

[lazy farmer]

So this MilkSure thing, does it mean that all the milking staff need to attend a course or just the herd owner? Only I night milk at a local farm, and there are atleast 10 milking staff (and I've milked with atleast another 10 in 18mths who havent stuck it) most of which do night milkings either regularly or as and when needed. If we all needed to attend a half day course I can't see it happening as most of us have other jobs etc. And it just seems a bit pointless if only one person attends a course when 10 others are tubing cows and milking the treated cows etc. and could potentially put antibiotic milk in the tank by accident.

That would come down to the person having done the course updating your protocols and then communicating them to the milking staff.
In your situation one would hope there already pretty good considering the amount of people involved in the operation.

 

[buffalo_soldier]

So this MilkSure thing, does it mean that all the milking staff need to attend a course or just the herd owner? Only I night milk at a local farm, and there are atleast 10 milking staff (and I've milked with atleast another 10 in 18mths who havent stuck it) most of which do night milkings either regularly or as and when needed. If we all needed to attend a half day course I can't see it happening as most of us have other jobs etc. And it just seems a bit pointless if only one person attends a course when 10 others are tubing cows and milking the treated cows etc. and could potentially put antibiotic milk in the tank by accident.

The person(s) responsible for protocols would be the attendees in your example.

 

[buffalo_soldier]

Dammit, I type too slow

 

[vantage]

Don't think there is much chance of me getting a pasty from my vet as I am the only Arla producer on his books!

 

[Princess Pooper]

So this MilkSure thing, does it mean that all the milking staff need to attend a course or just the herd owner? Only I night milk at a local farm, and there are atleast 10 milking staff (and I've milked with atleast another 10 in 18mths who havent stuck it) most of which do night milkings either regularly or as and when needed. If we all needed to attend a half day course I can't see it happening as most of us have other jobs etc. And it just seems a bit pointless if only one person attends a course when 10 others are tubing cows and milking the treated cows etc. and could potentially put antibiotic milk in the tank by accident.

certainly for our dairy, all milking staff and anyone who administers medicines (not just antibiotics) to the herd even if they don't milk. Often the owner is the only one who hardly every milks....the more staff who milk the more scope there is for an antibiotic fail and the need for rigid protocols. New staff members will have to be trained within I think it was 6 months of starting with a herd.

 

[watcher72]

There use to be an open policy on AB failures but it's all classed as commercially sensitive now so can't benchmark between buyers.