Moonbat is off again

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delilah

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He fails to point out (unwittingly or otherwise) that ammonia from farms only becommes a health hazard when it reacts with other gasses, from traffic.

Otherwise, it's a fair article.
 

PSQ

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George Monbiot cries "Wolf!"

He's just another puritanical fundamentalist, "they have the light and intensity of the convert in their eyes" (C/o @Goweresque):

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I don't even think that Guardian readers take much note of any more, it's almost like background noise.
 
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delilah

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The Guardian’s mapping of air pollution in Europe (including the UK) tells a shocking story. Only 2% of people live in places where the pollution caused by PM2.5s – tiny particles that cause a wide range of diseases – is within the limits recommended by the World Health Organization

It would be a fair assumption that posters on here are a disproportionate representation of that 2%. The Moonbat may, generally, be a bellend, but on the issue of air pollution he makes valid points. Points that will generally be lost on those of us lucky enough to live out in the sticks.
 
The Guardian’s mapping of air pollution in Europe (including the UK) tells a shocking story. Only 2% of people live in places where the pollution caused by PM2.5s – tiny particles that cause a wide range of diseases – is within the limits recommended by the World Health Organization

It would be a fair assumption that posters on here are a disproportionate representation of that 2%. The Moonbat may, generally, be a bellend, but on the issue of air pollution he makes valid points. Points that will generally be lost on those of us lucky enough to live out in the sticks.

He sometimes makes good points. His failure is that he often can't see the wood for the trees. I've no idea if he's a bellend but he's definitely not as clever as he thinks he is
 

melted welly

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The Guardian’s mapping of air pollution in Europe (including the UK) tells a shocking story. Only 2% of people live in places where the pollution caused by PM2.5s – tiny particles that cause a wide range of diseases – is within the limits recommended by the World Health Organization

It would be a fair assumption that posters on here are a disproportionate representation of that 2%. The Moonbat may, generally, be a bellend, but on the issue of air pollution he makes valid points. Points that will generally be lost on those of us lucky enough to live out in the sticks.
I’ve listened to several of his appearances on various panels and I’d agree, he does make some good points, however the thin veil over his blatant contempt/hatred of all things and people agricultural slips all too readily, normally to much harrumphing and nodding. If he was displaying this sort of disdain towards, other sectors of society i don’t think he’d get away with it.
 

delilah

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I’ve listened to several of his appearances on various panels and I’d agree, he does make some good points, however the thin veil over his blatant contempt/hatred of all things and people agricultural slips all too readily, normally to much harrumphing and nodding. If he was displaying this sort of disdain towards, other sectors of society i don’t think he’d get away with it.

I guess that's what happens when you make yourself an easy target. He must think all his vegan-nutroast-Christmases have come early when he reads the guff UK ag continually pumps out blaming ourselves for destroying the planet. No other sector of society does that.
 

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The Guardian’s mapping of air pollution in Europe (including the UK) tells a shocking story. Only 2% of people live in places where the pollution caused by PM2.5s – tiny particles that cause a wide range of diseases – is within the limits recommended by the World Health Organization

It would be a fair assumption that posters on here are a disproportionate representation of that 2%. The Moonbat may, generally, be a bellend, but on the issue of air pollution he makes valid points. Points that will generally be lost on those of us lucky enough to live out in the sticks.
He seems to be saying farms are the major source of air pollutants, but then says you'd have to move to the north of Scotland to escape the pollution.

Isn't the north of Scotland characterised by lots of (mainly livestock) farms and not many cars/people :scratchhead:

Same with his other stat that only 2% of Europeans live in places where air pollution is below recommended limits. Presumably rural areas?

Delilah? You're saying the same thing aren't you? You're saying Moonbat makes valid points about air pollution, but then saying most on here will be the disproportionate 2% (because we live in the sticks). According to Moonbat we live in the most polluting environments.

Or am I misunderstanding something?
 
I guess that's what happens when you make yourself an easy target. He must think all his vegan-nutroast-Christmases have come early when he reads the guff UK ag continually pumps out blaming ourselves for destroying the planet. No other sector of society does that.


Bought & Paid for Brigade send out the destroying the planet message - most of which don't farm but stick the Ag label on their brown noses whilst grabbing as much "Green" money as they can.
 

L P

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The Guardian’s mapping of air pollution in Europe (including the UK) tells a shocking story. Only 2% of people live in places where the pollution caused by PM2.5s – tiny particles that cause a wide range of diseases – is within the limits recommended by the World Health Organization

It would be a fair assumption that posters on here are a disproportionate representation of that 2%. The Moonbat may, generally, be a bellend, but on the issue of air pollution he makes valid points. Points that will generally be lost on those of us lucky enough to live out in the sticks.
Taken to reading quite a bit on daera ni, they seem to be very plain on their objectives and ammonia is high on the list. Overlay what they say onto FIF here and the majority of the grants here could be plucked off the back of one page of daera propaganda.
 
You know I wonder if these figures are literally Bull Poo.

Farms don't spread manure or fertiliser all the time, in fact figures should show a marked improvement if Ag is one of the main sources from well over a month ago all the way through to March/April.

I think, just like Water Pollution, someone has created a table top simulation.

I'm right in thinking for circa 8 to 9 months of the year fertiliser/manure doesn't get spread ? - at least in the majority.
 

L P

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You know I wonder if these figures are literally Bull Poo.

Farms don't spread manure or fertiliser all the time, in fact figures should show a marked improvement if Ag is one of the main sources from well over a month ago all the way through to March/April.

I think, just like Water Pollution, someone has created a table top simulation.

I'm right in thinking for circa 8 to 9 months of the year fertiliser/manure doesn't get spread ? - at least in the majority.
Well we were stopped from manure spreading in the wet season to prevent nitrate runoff when we never wanted in the last few thousand years to lose the value of the muck, so it now gets spread when it's far more likely to go up instead.... and it gets brought back down by rain eventually, dropping it on all flora, some of which don't want it for a habitat. So the boffins that know better than farmers as to what to do are inadvertently regenerating it to fall directly into watercourses and onto vulnerable land rather than localised spreading for maximum potential on the bits that feed them
 

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