Navalny.

[essex man]

Not be popular with who and why ??
Mankind is nothing of the sort .
Self centred ,selfish, greedy f**kers more apt I'm afraid.

Not be popular because really helping them would involve risk to ourselves.
Agree re mankind, we have evolved this way, accepting this and that you are the same is a good idea i find.

 

[Charlie Gill]

Not be popular because really helping them would involve risk to ourselves.
Agree re mankind, we have evolved this way, accepting this and that you are the same is a good idea i find.

Exactly what putin is playing on. You see it on here.

 

[Henarar]

The farming and rural folk are friendly and very very hospitable.All levels of society were welcoming and there great interest was our Royal Family whom they hold in high esteem.Yes I enjoyed my time in their country.

Not surprised, let down by their leaders ? nart new there

 

[BrianV]

Exactly what putin is playing on. You see it on here.

The thing is that for Putin nukes are his fall back trump card, if it came to it he could fire one into Ukraine & what exactly could the West do without triggering WW3, does anyone truly believe NATO or America would fire either on Russian forces or fire a nuke into Russia, I really don’t think they would do either.

 

[Charlie Gill]

The thing is that for Putin nukes are his fall back trump card, if it came to it he could fire one into Ukraine & what exactly could the West do without triggering WW3, does anyone truly believe NATO or America would fire either on Russian forces or fire a nuke into Russia, I really don’t think they would do either.

Perfect example.

 

[essex man]

Exactly what putin is playing on. You see it on here.

Yes, it seems the majority on here are happy with policy of just giving the Ukrainians a few weapons now and then, even though that is clearly not enough.
When asked they do not wish to send proper help due to risk of "ww3" etc
Not sure how representative tff is more broadly but see it as a good indicator of wider public opinion on this

 

[Hindsight]

Yes, it seems the majority on here are happy with policy of just giving the Ukrainians a few weapons now and then, even though that is clearly not enough.
When asked they do not wish to send proper help due to risk of "ww3" etc
Not sure how representative tff is more broadly but see it as a good indicator of wider public opinion on this

Maybe a tad disingenuous EM. But first you will need to clarify your second sentence. What do you term 'proper help'? that folk (for which read the general public such as me) do not want to send.

Personally I think there is a load more kit and supplies that could have been sent and have been requested.

I will pre judge your reply/retort, shall I, that of sending troops (boot on the ground) which the Ukrainians haven't requested but have asked for more modern tanks, Airlplanes and missile systems.

 

[robs1]

Maybe a tad disingenuous EM. But first you will need to clarify your second sentence. What do you term 'proper help'? that folk (for which read the general public such as me) do not want to send.

Personally I think there is a load more kit and supplies that could have been sent and have been requested.

I will pre judge your reply/retort, shall I, that of sending troops (boot on the ground) which the Ukrainians haven't requested but have asked for more modern tanks, Airlplanes and missile systems.

Part of the problem is I don't think the allies of Ukraine have enough equipment spare to send in the quantities needed. I suspect a lot of the stuff sent at the beginning was old stock

 

[essex man]

Maybe a tad disingenuous EM. But first you will need to clarify your second sentence. What do you term 'proper help'? that folk (for which read the general public such as me) do not want to send.

Personally I think there is a load more kit and supplies that could have been sent and have been requested.

I will pre judge your reply/retort, shall I, that of sending troops (boot on the ground) which the Ukrainians haven't requested but have asked for more modern tanks, Airlplanes and missile systems.

That old classic " Ukrainians haven't requested" .
What they'd do if we offered to fire missiles , fly our own aircraft and bomb russian forces etc ...is say "no don't do that" !
Fairytales hs, i didn't think you believed in them ,let alone told them expecting others to

 

[Hindsight]

Part of the problem is I don't think the allies of Ukraine have enough equipment spare to send in the quantities needed. I suspect a lot of the stuff sent at the beginning was old stock

UK sent 13 or so Challenger Tanks. Think we only have 140 or so as the MOD decided that tanks were obsolete. UK has a 25 mile wide moat. So no one is going to land tanks without us noticing. So all those tanks could have been trucked across to the Polish Ukraine border and given to Ukraine. Thats for a start. I do on odd occasions speak to the RAF folk who live and work in local Typhoon bases. They don't say much but I get gist there is a fair stock of various missiles stuck under the Lincolnshire Limestone. Anyway not upto me but seems money well spent.

 

[essex man]

Part of the problem is I don't think the allies of Ukraine have enough equipment spare to send in the quantities needed. I suspect a lot of the stuff sent at the beginning was old stock

Yep, that's why we need to use our "non spare" equipment if we are serious.

 

[robs1]

UK sent 13 or so Challenger Tanks. Think we only have 140 or so as the MOD decided that tanks were obsolete. UK has a 25 mile wide moat. So no one is going to land tanks without us noticing. So all those tanks could have been trucked across to the Polish Ukraine border and given to Ukraine. Thats for a start. I do on odd occasions speak to the RAF folk who live and work in local Typhoon bases. They don't say much but I get gist there is a fair stock of various missiles stuck under the Lincolnshire Limestone. Anyway not upto me but seems money well spent.

I expect there is a minimum stock level our armed forces think is essential, it's the capacity of production that needs considering too, if there is intelligence that china is seriously considering attacking Taiwan we would need our stuff for that problem too, just as the UK and Europe are reducing food production capacity we have reduced arms producing capacity, steel production capacity, anyone would think the governments in Europe are run by idiots, we had a warning with Russian gas a couple of years ago but apparently all our leaders missed it. I have said a few times thank goodness I'm getting old and won't be around to see where the world is heading, the frequency of it being said seems to be getting shorter

 

[essex man]

UK sent 13 or so Challenger Tanks. Think we only have 140 or so as the MOD decided that tanks were obsolete. UK has a 25 mile wide moat. So no one is going to land tanks without us noticing. So all those tanks could have been trucked across to the Polish Ukraine border and given to Ukraine. Thats for a start. I do on odd occasions speak to the RAF folk who live and work in local Typhoon bases. They don't say much but I get gist there is a fair stock of various missiles stuck under the Lincolnshire Limestone. Anyway not upto me but seems money well spent.

Why not do as much as we can hs?

 

[Boomerang]

Perfect example.

Whilst the West continue to run scared of the bully he will keep pushing ..
All this crap about Ukraine not in NATO so can't physically get involved .
Kuwait wasn't in NATO but a coalition piled in there and sorted it out .
There's no reason why a coalition couldn't be formed again with real intent, what's the bully going to do faced with that ,nuke them all. It should be made clear one nuke from him = overwhelming conventional power and
Stop him permanently.
But it just ain't going to happen .
What's happening in Ukraine and gaza whilst the world watches on offering not enough real decisive help is sickening.

 

[essex man]

Whilst the West continue to run scared of the bully he will keep pushing ..
All this crap about Ukraine not in NATO so can't physically get involved .
Kuwait wasn't in NATO but a coalition piled in there and sorted it out .
There's no reason why a coalition couldn't be formed again with real intent, what's the bully going to do faced with that ,nuke them all. It should be made clear one nuke from him = overwhelming conventional power and
Stop him permanently.
But it just ain't going to happen .
What's happening in Ukraine and gaza whilst the world watches on offering not enough real decisive help is sickening.

Well, you can "help" or not but pretending it's somehow all you can do is maybe the "sickening" part.
The policies are popular though, and people tired of the war, so "help" is decreasing now.

 

[BrianV]

Whilst the West continue to run scared of the bully he will keep pushing ..
All this crap about Ukraine not in NATO so can't physically get involved .
Kuwait wasn't in NATO but a coalition piled in there and sorted it out .
There's no reason why a coalition couldn't be formed again with real intent, what's the bully going to do faced with that ,nuke them all. It should be made clear one nuke from him = overwhelming conventional power and
Stop him permanently.
But it just ain't going to happen .
What's happening in Ukraine and gaza whilst the world watches on offering not enough real decisive help is sickening.

Seems to me you are very happy to play Russian roulette with other peoples lives, may be you would be more use on the front line, Russia has the biggest stockpile of nukes in the world, there's a hell of difference in fighting a country with no back up to trying to destroy Russia, if Putin goes there could be a carve up of nukes between the very many different factions in Russia.

 

[robs1]

Seems to me you are very happy to play Russian roulette with other peoples lives, may be you would be more use on the front line, Russia has the biggest stockpile of nukes in the world, there's a hell of difference in fighting a country with no back up to trying to destroy Russia, if Putin goes there could be a carve up of nukes between the very many different factions in Russia.

Looking at the state of the russian army especially at the beginning of the war and how badly maintained it was I expect many missiles would not make it out of the silos

 

[DrWazzock]

There either has to be an “all in” existential fight involving all western resources and very high risk of a nuclear war or there has to be negotiation along the lines of “containment”.
Tell me what other options there are? The idea that Ukraine can even even hold the line is looking optimistic.

 

[Charlie Gill]

Seems to me you are very happy to play Russian roulette with other peoples lives, may be you would be more use on the front line, Russia has the biggest stockpile of nukes in the world, there's a hell of difference in fighting a country with no back up to trying to destroy Russia, if Putin goes there could be a carve up of nukes between the very many different factions in Russia.

It's not about destroying russia, it's about removing its troops from Ukraine. You yourself have even posted this morning a criticism of Biden for preventing military aid reaching Ukraine

 

[BrianV]

It's not about destroying russia, it's about removing its troops from Ukraine. You yourself have even posted this morning a criticism of Biden for preventing military aid reaching Ukraine

Only because he’s a bloody hypocrite, once Russia were allowed to invade then a partitioning of Ukraine was the least awful outcome, America were well aware of this but Ukraine is expendable.