New Fendt 724 issues

[DrDunc]

i love smaller tractors, wish i could get away with 112hp

just no point comparing 112 vs 240 hp running costs is there as that would be like me comparing my 724 to a quadtrac

Was 165hp Deutz that cost £6.10/h depreciation and £1.16/h for service and repairs

I grew up sowing 140 acres of spring barley here with a 60hp Davy Broon 2wd, 3f conventional plough, drag harrows, and a 10 foot drop box seeder

Same farm, now just 20 acres of barley, and it "needs" 160hp for that, the grassland, and the contracting work, progress?

Today the shepherd, tractor man, and my father are long dead, leaving only me and the livestock. The business efficiency and output is vastly improved from my father's time. My choice last tractor change was to choose comfort and driving pleasure, so I bought a valtra, and to hell with the depreciation and huge running costs



Bet the valtra is still less than a fender

 

[D14]

Just had a price for a gen 7 724 with VF tyres but no guidance and it was £175,000 after discount. A 728 to the same spec was £186,000. Both had front linkage and pto but other than that standard tractors as they come. A generation 6 724 to the same spec was £162,000. A case puma 240cvx AFS was £149,000 but it had guidance as it was a stock tractor. Not VF tyres though but they were the same size as the ones on the Fendts.

 

[Clive]

Was 165hp Deutz that cost £6.10/h depreciation and £1.16/h for service and repairs

I grew up sowing 140 acres of spring barley here with a 60hp Davy Broon 2wd, 3f conventional plough, drag harrows, and a 10 foot drop box seeder

Same farm, now just 20 acres of barley, and it "needs" 160hp for that, the grassland, and the contracting work, progress?

Today the shepherd, tractor man, and my father are long dead, leaving only me and the livestock. The business efficiency and output is vastly improved from my father's time. My choice last tractor change was to choose comfort and driving pleasure, so I bought a valtra, and to hell with the depreciation and huge running costs



Bet the valtra is still less than a fender

Once upon a time we had a 610hp tracked machine here that we thought we needed to farm - small is the new big IMO

 

[Clive]

Just had a price for a gen 7 724 with VF tyres but no guidance and it was £175,000 after discount. A 728 to the same spec was £186,000. Both had front linkage and pto but other than that standard tractors as they come. A generation 6 724 to the same spec was £162,000. A case puma 240cvx AFS was £149,000 but it had guidance as it was a stock tractor. Not VF tyres though but they were the same size as the ones on the Fendts.

nothing like as bad as some the rumour mill would have you believe, I best a similar spec JD is not a disimilar price

 

[lloyd]

Once upon a time we had a 610hp tracked machine here that we thought we needed to farm - small is the new big IMO

You should have just stood much further away from it.

 

[ollie989898]

Out of interest with you not having cattle how do you keep the staff busy year round?

No doubt theyre well built but your seriously paying for it and as some mention its the same engine as a deutz, plenty big 2nd hand tractors would be capable of doing your hours cheaper, i have dairy farmer friends with tractors doing 2000hrs a year lot of their tractors get up to 15-20,000 hrs these days running all day on bedders and feed wagons its not a big deal, to think only a fendt can do 10,000 hrs is great marketing from them

Lot change at low hrs for tax reasons from what i see

Lots of farms find winter work for their guys doing building work and 'estate maintenance', hedgecutting, timber work and the like.

 

[Gerbert]

This thread reminds me of a term from the financial world: big swinging dicks.
What a palaver.

 

[Speedstar]

It said another thread a full spec 724 is 200k!

There's no way the equivalent CNH, valtra, MF are similar price.

Or maybe I'm really out of touch.

Price one spec for spec with the same warranty & you will get a surprize , put a 8000 hour warranty on a New Holland & it could cost you 30k or more for warranty alone

 

[Bossfarmer]

Price one spec for spec with the same warranty & you will get a surprize , put a 8000 hour warranty on a New Holland & it could cost you 30k or more for warranty alone

Surely if the Fendts are that good you wont need an 8000hr warranty infact u wont need any??

 

[Clive]

Surely if the Fendts are that good you wont need an 8000hr warranty infact u wont need any??

I've never had a warranty on a Fendt yet beyond what comes standard, no regrets

 

[Speedstar]

Surely if the Fendts are that good you wont need an 8000hr warranty infact u wont need any??

Being new to fendt tractors a few years , we were not sure about warranty & running costs , after running Mf tractors & the size of the repair bills we were getting on young low houred tractor we took out long warrantys on the fendts , that way you know were your are & i think it helps with the second hand valve with full main dealer service history

 

[Blue.]

Just looked back at quotes I had from August 2020

Jd 215r £152k
Fendt 724 Profi plus £143k
Nh t7.270 blue power £128k
Case 240cvx £119k

All same spec with 4k hr warranty,Jd bid £10k less on my trade in than the others,the Fendt had guidance and the others were guidance ready,I bought the Fendt.

 

[6r 185]

Trouble is quotes differ to much from customer to customer, some of it may well be stock tractors and so on, but sometimes I think dealers are just trying it on, we priced both fendt and John Deere 12 months ago and found the John Deere to be quite a lot less money, a neighbour priced at the same time and found the exact opposite,

 

[Richard Smyth]

Just looked back at quotes I had from August 2020

Jd 215r £152k
Fendt 724 Profi plus £143k
Nh t7.270 blue power £128k
Case 240cvx £119k

All same spec with 4k hr warranty,Jd bid £10k less on my trade in than the others,the Fendt had guidance and the others were guidance ready,I bought the Fendt.

Was the jd commandpro?

 

[Richard Smyth]

Trouble is quotes differ to much from customer to customer, some of it may well be stock tractors and so on, but sometimes I think dealers are just trying it on, we priced both fendt and John Deere 12 months ago and found the John Deere to be quite a lot less money, a neighbour priced at the same time and found the exact opposite,

I’d be fairly sure spec wasn’t the same

 

[6r 185]

I’d be fairly sure spec wasn’t the same

Yes, the John Deere was command pro, and yes you are right, they weren’t the same spec! John Deere had more stuff on, not saying the options weren’t available on the fendt , but they weren’t on my quote! And when the neighbours fendt turned up, it was only a power plus not a profi plus like we had quoted !

 

[Richard Smyth]

Yes, the John Deere was command pro, and yes you are right, they weren’t the same spec! John Deere had more stuff on, not saying the options weren’t available on the fendt , but they weren’t on my quote! And when the neighbours fendt turned up, it was only a power plus not a profi plus like we had quoted !

Fair enough. Going on my quotes 8r Deere was 18% more than Fendt. Deere had smaller tyres no reverse fan and didn’t have tyre pressure control.

Deere also won’t supply an ntrip rtk radio so I could use my base station. I would have had to pay a subscription to their base station network

 

[kiwi pom]

It said another thread a full spec 724 is 200k!

There's no way the equivalent CNH, valtra, MF are similar price.

Or maybe I'm really out of touch.

I think it all depends on what numbers you actually use and what argument you're trying to make. Clive is currently comparing to JD - who outsell Fendt in the UK by a lot- but JD is a premium brand so will price as such.

This thread has put up lower numbers for NH, Case and Kubota - I know Kubota don't do one big enough in the UK for Clive-, so he isn't comparing to them.

Everyone's different and have different access to different deals (you can't tell me the Fendt dealer doesn't know who Clive is) so will buy what suits them, but just because it suits them does not mean it's 'the way to do it'

TFF should run a test and pick a dozen farmers to go and get a best price quote of a set spec and model, from the top 6 brands, no trade in.
Then all post the quotes and see what's what.

 

[Bossfarmer]

I've never had a warranty on a Fendt yet beyond what comes standard, no regrets

Your not working yours hard though so 10k hrs shouldnt be a big ask, lot of contractors around here ploughing/ combi drilling in heavier ground with them and getting problems, one guy i know has had 3 fendts now and either new engine or transmission needed in each

 

[Bossfarmer]

Just looked back at quotes I had from August 2020

Jd 215r £152k
Fendt 724 Profi plus £143k
Nh t7.270 blue power £128k
Case 240cvx £119k

All same spec with 4k hr warranty,Jd bid £10k less on my trade in than the others,the Fendt had guidance and the others were guidance ready,I bought the Fendt.

In sorry but you cant compare a case 240 or t7 270 with a fendt 724, they are much bigger/heavier machines and boost up to 270 so the fendt should be cheaper than those 2, know what id rather have on a 6 furrow or a 5m combi drill