New gateway onto road

[Tarw Coch]

Is it possible to get permission to open a new field gateway onto a council road, a back lane?
JFDI isn’t the answer I’m looking for in this instance.

 

[Hesstondriver]

anything is possible ! is the reason for not JFDI due to over lookers or historic issues ?

normally these need full planning and a statement from highways . is it possible to have a fireside chat with the highways officer and gauge their feeling / reaction, and thus hopefully their support

will the new entrance make it safer ? if so a supporting letter from either the local police of possibly the NFU would help ?

 

[Cowmansam]

New gates only get made round here once somone crashes through the hedge thus creating said gateway

 

[deleted user 837354]

A field gateway I can't see they can complain about if it's done carefully, i.e. not on a blind bend or something daft?

An entrance you can drive a HGV up and down mind is another matter and they would probably get pished about.

 

[Landrover]

You will need planning! Just replaced a gate and fences either side of it in a gateway that's been there for 50years + and have has some nasty letters from the planning officer about needing planning permission.for.a new gateway. Told her to look at Google maps !

 

[deleted user 837354]

You will need planning! Just replaced a gate and fences either side of it in a gateway that's been there for 50years + and have has some nasty letters from the planning officer about needing planning permission.for.a new gateway. Told her to look at Google maps !

Officious wench. Tell her to take a hike- just looking for the money for it.

 

[Tarw Coch]

A bit more detail, I have a block of land a few hundred yards away up a B road which doesn’t have ideal access, it’s a narrow block so several fields have to be crossed to get to the furthest.

Although not official yet I have it on good authority that a parcel of land adjoining it is coming on the market soon which has acces onto a lane. Again only one field joins the road with the current gateway right next to a house, a gateway that can only be used from one direction........the wrong direction for me unless you back into the field/reverse out onto the road.
Moving the gateway to the other side of the field would be easier access for me but the biggest attraction would be that if I could put a gateway where I would like it would then be relatively easy to put a track down the side of that field to my existing block of land and if continued on would pretty much split my existing block in half giving access onto the track from most fields.
Improved access would certainly benefit my existing block, sometimes we grow some maize there, most years we cart slurry at some point, the existing acces is onto a double sweeping bend on a B road and with all the best efforts in the world, mud on the road is a distinct possibility, making cleaning up necessary for maize and more often simply putting me off carting slurry in anything less than ideal conditions which doesn’t allways match when it ought to go on.
Whilst an access out onto the lane would still need to be cleaned up, at least traffic on the lane tends to travel dead slow unlike the B road where nothing seems to slow some down.

So I’m currently evaluating the possibilities if there’s a straight forward procedure to getting an acces onto the road it would certainly enhance my interest in the block of land coming up for sale.
I believe it would be safer for the overall traffic as many do speed on the B road but I’d want to do everything above board because despite only using it for regular access for silage/slurry on relatively few days of the year there are a few houses down there so the JFDI approach could be asking for trouble.

 

[br jones]

If its a new entrance ,in wales the rule is 215m visibility both ways ,on a 60 mph road ,whats the speed limit?

 

[steveR]

A bit more detail, I have a block of land a few hundred yards away up a B road which doesn’t have ideal access, it’s a narrow block so several fields have to be crossed to get to the furthest.

Although not official yet I have it on good authority that a parcel of land adjoining it is coming on the market soon which has acces onto a lane. Again only one field joins the road with the current gateway right next to a house, a gateway that can only be used from one direction........the wrong direction for me unless you back into the field/reverse out onto the road.

Have a word with Planners now, or even make a PD application, to flush out any issues early. Worth a few quid investment now I'd have thought?

 

[Kevtherev]

Buy a cheap van and use it to make a gateway and say it was Jon Colley

 

[steveR]

Buy a cheap van and use it to make a gateway and say it was Jon Colley

Pity it's not near HAAC or indeed any other Ag college, I am sure the old "land rover in a hedge" in the First Year, has not totally faded...

 

[S J H]

I asked the council a few weeks back and they said the only to get it in writing was a apply for a pre app. They came back saying it would need full permission, with vision splays, kerb details, and a hedge removal notice, this is for an unclassified lane.

So I’m a bit stuck now, was just going to go for a separate hedge removal notice, and see what that comes up with.

 

[Tarw Coch]

If its a new entrance ,in wales the rule is 215m visibility both ways ,on a 60 mph road ,whats the speed limit?

No restrictions so presumably 60..........anyone trying anything like that speed will soon be through the hedge
It’s one of them roads where 30 would be considered speeding by anyone with any sense, I doubt wether there’s anywhere on the lane where you’d get 215m visibility.

Where I’d like to put a gate is the other side of the hedge to a gate into another field though so pretty much the same visibility

 

[Kevtherev]

No restrictions so presumably 60..........anyone trying anything like that speed will soon be through the hedge
It’s one of them roads where 30 would be considered speeding by anyone with any sense, I doubt wether there’s anywhere on the lane where you’d get 215m visibility.

Where I’d like to put a gate is the other side of the hedge to a gate into another field though so pretty much the same visibility

It’s dark and I have a digger

 

[Tarw Coch]

Buy a cheap van and use it to make a gateway and say it was Jon Colley

The Dallas cowboy

 

[Two Tone]

Pity it's not near HAAC or indeed any other Ag college, I am sure the old "land rover in a hedge" in the First Year, has not totally faded...

Back in the late 70’s, the main entrance to the RAC from the Fosse Way was often known to have had an “unauthorised” gateway into the field opposite, due to “The Ton Up Club”. Members of which would attempt to reach 100mph up the College drive and supposedly stop before they got to the Fosse!

Allegedly, the first guy to do it drove the other way and didn’t stop before he hit the main building entrance.
(I think they gave him the benefit of the Doubt that he did get to the Ton.)

I can however tell you that a Mk 3 2 litre Cortina XL managed to get to 85mph and stopped before getting to the Fosse. But I, I mean a friend had to hit the straight of the drive by the buildings almost on 2 wheels whist turning into it!

I have just looked at that field entrance on Google Earth and sadly have to report that the (new!) hedge is growing quite well there now.

We always knew things would calm down as soon as they allowed the female students in!!
Not to mention turning in to a supposed University!

 

[Steevo]

A field gateway I can't see they can complain about if it's done carefully, i.e. not on a blind bend or something daft?

An entrance you can drive a HGV up and down mind is another matter and they would probably get pished about.

If you put it through as an "agricultural access" it will slip through much more easily and can then be upgraded.

I don't believe the planners are able to restrict the type of traffic that can be used.

 

[deleted user 837354]

Surely the thing to do is stove a scrapped car in it by accident one night and bash a hole in the hedge. Then recover it away, get it scrapped pronto and then just put in a gateway in the resulting hole.

 

[S J H]

Surely the thing to do is stove a scrapped car in it by accident one night and bash a hole in the hedge. Then recover it away, get it scrapped pronto and then just put in a gateway in the resulting hole.

I think the main problem is removing the hedge, if you end up with some eco warrior it could end up with a lot of grief, so get the removal notice done, then everything else can be reversed if the worse case scenario happens.

 

[Gulli]

Easy enough to do, will probably need an application if it goes onto a b road but if the other gateway faces the wrong way and is the only access then you have a pretty good case from a safety point of view