New livestock EID measures announced by Michael Gove

[Hilly]

2500 ewes and 800 odd hoggets
tag later due to lambing out doors so can't match ewes to lambs unless used DNA testing
tag at weaning but take off bottom end lambs frist only tagging ewe lambs out of better ewes mostly twinners lamb in breed groups so can put in sire type against the lambs to follow breeds and also for putting lambs in to mateing groups later in life

Why do you need 800 hoggets to maintain 2500 ewes ?

 

[gone up the hill]

so why did they vote her in...easiest way to pay for new system is to cancel nfu membership...but will they

The 90 person council voted her in because they believe in what she says/ her vision/ ideas for the industry even thou nearly all members don't agree with these ideas/ visions etc but the NFU at top level think they know better than ordinary members.

I cannot understand why farmers like henarar still pay NFU subs given the way the NFU are working against his best intrests day in/ out.

Everything the NFU support costs farmers time and money! this EID shambles for cattle will cost at least 1k+ for each and every NFU member with cattle and many older members/ farms will just quit rather than having all this expense/ having to learn how to update all this information/ buy Bluetooth phones/ newer laptops and readers etc etc.

And will that 1k improve the farms bottom line?? of course not, just another expense that farmers have to suck up whilst being told we need to cut costs, you couldn't make it up!!

 

[spin cycle]

why will it cost £1k?.....are we all going to have to buy a reader and carry it about all day inputting data

i must admit i'm fairly savvy....but i havn't a clue what they're on about

 

[gone up the hill]

why will it cost £1k?.....are we all going to have to buy a reader and carry it about all day inputting data

i must admit i'm fairly savvy....but i havn't a clue what they're on about

Looks like we will have to input all med treatments/ wormers etc for each animal so yes you will have to carry the reader around and update all the info on a day to day basis as you treat/ worm any animals, so say you do a whole herd TB test you will have to upload the batch nums for every animal jabbed for example.

 

[spin cycle]

Looks like we will have to input all med treatments/ wormers etc for each animal so yes you will have to carry the reader around and update all the info on a day to day basis as you treat/ worm any animals, so say you do a whole herd TB test you will have to upload the batch nums for every animal jabbed for example.

how can they enforce this....surely all smallholders will be buggered

i suppose it could be quite handy particularly if you could scan the med label ?.....but then surely you'll have to upload the whole lot to a central database every so often?

 

[milkloss]

why will it cost £1k?.....are we all going to have to buy a reader and carry it about all day inputting data

i must admit i'm fairly savvy....but i havn't a clue what they're on about

Looks like we will have to input all med treatments/ wormers etc for each animal so yes you will have to carry the reader around and update all the info on a day to day basis as you treat/ worm any animals, so say you do a whole herd TB test you will have to upload the batch nums for every animal jabbed for example.

Not only this but medicine use will be tracked back to the supplier such as a vet. Best before dates checked and unused drugs will have to be accounted for as well as justifying uses to the red tractor man. What happens with two people dosing animals? Two sets of equipment?

The whole idea of eid in cattle is actually quite a good one, the problem happens with the implementation of it and the selection of technology to make it all happen. Who do you trust to get this right? No organisation I can think of.

 

[spin cycle]

Not only this but medicine use will be tracked back to the supplier such as a vet. Best before dates checked and unused drugs will have to be accounted for as well as justifying uses to the red tractor man. What happens with two people dosing animals? Two sets of equipment?

The whole idea of eid in cattle is actually quite a good one, the problem happens with the implementation of it and the selection of technology to make it all happen. Who do you trust to get this right? No organisation I can think of.

'oops i've dropped the bottle'...why is govt and rt constantly driving integrity out of everything

 

[JD-Kid]

Why do you need 800 hoggets to maintain 2500 ewes ?

Cull them down quite hard during the year so still worth good money untill teeth cut
also seem to have a higher than i would like deaths in younger stock which vet is testing some animals for at the moment

 

[Frank-the-Wool]

Looks like we will have to input all med treatments/ wormers etc for each animal so yes you will have to carry the reader around and update all the info on a day to day basis as you treat/ worm any animals, so say you do a whole herd TB test you will have to upload the batch nums for every animal jabbed for example.

I am afraid you are supposed to be doing this already. Do you not keep a medicine book down there?
You have to record all purchases of medicines with use by dates and batch numbers.
When you treat an animal you need to record it so you know the withdrawal period for the product.
You have to record the batch numbers of the TB tests.

What EID will do is save you the paperwork. Those who wish to continue to live in the dark ages will be able to use pens and paper or even bark and charcoal if they wish.
Those of us who wish to move into the 21st century would like to move on.

Could someone set up a poll for NFU members to see if 9 out of 10 do not want EID in cattle?

 

[JP1]

I am afraid you are supposed to be doing this already. Do you not keep a medicine book down there?
You have to record all purchases of medicines with use by dates and batch numbers.
When you treat an animal you need to record it so you know the withdrawal period for the product.
You have to record the batch numbers of the TB tests.

What EID will do is save you the paperwork. Those who wish to continue to live in the dark ages will be able to use pens and paper or even bark and charcoal if they wish.
Those of us who wish to move into the 21st century would like to move on.

Could someone set up a poll for NFU members to see if 9 out of 10 do not want EID in cattle?

Correct. In fact the revised requirement is to enter the date the treated animal may enter the food chain or the milk be used etc

 

[spin cycle]

I am afraid you are supposed to be doing this already. Do you not keep a medicine book down there?
You have to record all purchases of medicines with use by dates and batch numbers.
When you treat an animal you need to record it so you know the withdrawal period for the product.
You have to record the batch numbers of the TB tests.

What EID will do is save you the paperwork. Those who wish to continue to live in the dark ages will be able to use pens and paper or even bark and charcoal if they wish.
Those of us who wish to move into the 21st century would like to move on.

Could someone set up a poll for NFU members to see if 9 out of 10 do not want EID in cattle?

as long as you're allowed to carry on 'in the dark ages' then it's voluntary? and i can't see a problem

Correct. In fact the revised requirement is to enter the date the treated animal may enter the food chain or the milk be used etc

whats the bloomin difference apart from a more wordy title

 

[milkloss]

Correct. In fact the revised requirement is to enter the date the treated animal may enter the food chain or the milk be used etc

What your all gunning for is WLA and and market control through vertical integration of regulation.

Changing something for the sake of it doesn’t make it any better. Your lot are like a bunch of politicians trying to justify their existence sometimes.

 

[JD-Kid]

I am afraid you are supposed to be doing this already. Do you not keep a medicine book down there?
You have to record all purchases of medicines with use by dates and batch numbers.
When you treat an animal you need to record it so you know the withdrawal period for the product.
You have to record the batch numbers of the TB tests.

What EID will do is save you the paperwork. Those who wish to continue to live in the dark ages will be able to use pens and paper or even bark and charcoal if they wish.
Those of us who wish to move into the 21st century would like to move on.

Could someone set up a poll for NFU members to see if 9 out of 10 do not want EID in cattle?

big thing i see if it's forsed to be used then use it at grassroots to make gains in on farm use be it bookwork better animal out put better use of geans etc etc
i know a cost to smaller guys and there has to be a simple fix to that some how be it cheeper readers VID matched to EID on tags so can be done pen and paper if need be
to me it's a great tool yet like i said before my grandfather would see it as a cost with no gains or very little

 

[milkloss]

No doubt this sort of stuff is good as a tool. It just depends if your government and representative/supermarket organisations are going to use it as a stick to beat you with. Hard.

 

[Hilly]

The way eid gets talked about by some im amazed we got about 2000 years of farming without it and 2000 years of breeding top notch stock and 2000 years withouut mass poisoning of the nation etc etc etc etc. Its job for the boys.

 

[JP1]

What your all gunning for is WLA and and market control through vertical integration of regulation.

Changing something for the sake of it doesn’t make it any better. Your lot are like a bunch of politicians trying to justify their existence sometimes.

I'm not arguing for anything. I'm merely stating what you are already legally responsible to enter in to your medicines book

 

[JP1]

as long as you're allowed to carry on 'in the dark ages' then it's voluntary? and i can't see a problem



whats the bloomin difference apart from a more wordy title

Probably the fact that you actually realise when you can put an animal in to the food chain. You have to sign a FCI form at Lamberts abattoir. Even from this thread it's fairly obvious there are some that may not know

 

[milkloss]

I'm not arguing for anything. I'm merely stating what you are already legally responsible to enter in to your medicines book

Spoken like a true politician!

We know what this drive for eid, medicine control integrated throughout the chain and movement control is all about JP, don’t fool yourself and more importantly don’t try and trick others into a false sense of security.

You should know better.

 

[JD-Kid]

No doubt this sort of stuff is good as a tool. It just depends if your government and representative/supermarket organisations are going to use it as a stick to beat you with. Hard.

yep it's a buck passing thing if driven from the top seen alot of TV interviews interviewing people before and after shopping all oh free range etc etc before hand afterwards what they can aford in the shopping bags

as a farmer there would only be a few countrys i would pass on there products just a tad shifty in what they do

i know on here there are alot of farmers that could be farming next door in there systems and how they ook after animals so would not have a prob buying do i need to ID were a chop come from not realy but also as a farmer i would like a system in place that stops dickheads in the industry and also to get on top of disease outbreaks fast

 

[JD-Kid]

The way eid gets talked about by some im amazed we got about 2000 years of farming without it and 2000 years of breeding top notch stock and 2000 years withouut mass poisoning of the nation etc etc etc etc. Its job for the boys.

agree in alot of ways Hilly i like it it's a good tool at grass roots if used to make gains