new machinery store

[Tractor18]

Hi.
looking at replacing 5 old sheds on a farm.
each shed is approx 6m wide. 31m in total width for all 5.
They are 30m long.
Needs to be replaced due to issues with leaking water and issues with rats.
What would a suitable replacement be.
Would be used as tempoary grainstore in summer and store machines and some straw in winter.
Needs to tip 20 tonne trailer.
What would you guys recomend ?

 

[Tractor18]

some options i would be thinking about would be
100x50x23 x2 with valley gutter
100x80x23 with 20ft lean too
100x100x23

 

[goldeneagle]

Think 100x 80 would be best choice as steel weight on 100 ft may change economics.

Don't know your site but would go taller i.e 25ft at least and get the legs all drilled for an additional lean to (even the lean to ,egg). If you go taller you can go wider without loosing head height on your lean to in future.

Only downside of having large roof area is making sure gutters are matched to it.

 

[designanddetail]

You will never regret getting a 100x100 shed, the clear span space would have so many uses. But you do need to balance costs (unless you have unlimited budget) so something like 40 or 50ft in the middle and 25ft lean to each side would be economical and give you good partitioning capabilities. Plus it removed the dreaded valley gutters so many people hate.

 

[Nearly]

Have you any interest in converting the existing sheds into houses and building a new shed a bit further away?
@George from SJM Planning

 

[Rich_ard]

2 of 18×30 either a gap down the middle or valley gutter. One big space would be dusty for machinery store and grain store. Worse for vermin if got staw in there. Shutter the walls. If you want to add a lean too later.

 

[sjt01]

Avoid valley gutters, they are the work of the devil. Think of health and safety if you get leaves and moss blocking the gutter when clearing out.

 

[BRB John]

I think I'd just have a single span 31x30m shed but split the shed into 3 having a 6m wide then a large 18m and another 6m shed running down the side and open to the out side.
Assuming you could get access to at least 3 sides of the shed that is.
Nothing worse than going into your machinery shed to find the thing you want right at the back and having to shift everything to get to it.
Having it divided into three would also allow you to use smaller steel as it would be effectively just a 18x31m shed with two 6m lean to's.

You could obivously make the lean to's wider as well depending on personal requirements.

 

[Rich_ard]

I think I'd just have a single span 31x30m shed but split the shed into 3 having a 6m wide then a large 18m and another 6m shed running down the side and open to the out side.
Assuming you could get access to at least 3 sides of the shed that is.
Nothing worse than going into your machinery shed to find the thing you want right at the back and having to shift everything to get to it.
Having it divided into three would also allow you to use smaller steel as it would be effectively just a 18x31m shed with two 6m lean to's.

You could obivously make the lean to's wider as well depending on personal requirements.

I know it's not a livestock shed but I know some have regretted big stock sheds as disease moves through them quickly.

 

[BRB John]

I know it's not a livestock shed but I know some have regretted big stock sheds as disease moves through them quickly.

It's not a livestock shed and even if it was it wouldn't be a large livestock shed.
But if the OP does lose his mind and decide to get a few cattle he could convert the two lean-to's easily to a cattle court and maybe a silage pit/store in the main shed...
And being on opposites sides of the shed the disease pressure should be minimum.

How sad but thinking about agricultural sheds really makes me happy

 

[Welderloon]

2@ 100 x 40 x 23 sheds leaving a gap of 18 > 20ft between the 2 sheds for lorry/tractor access.
Build an open 25ft lean-to down the far side of each shed for Straw storage.
That way you can have plenty grain storage, separate machinery storage & options for straw storage
100 x 40 x 23 won't be wild money based on the span, lean-to each side will be adequate for straw storage & doesn't need concrete floor initially
At a later date you could also roof the gap between the sheds if you wish.

 

[Blue.]

Hi.
looking at replacing 5 old sheds on a farm.
each shed is approx 6m wide. 31m in total width for all 5.
They are 30m long.
Needs to be replaced due to issues with leaking water and issues with rats.
What would a suitable replacement be.
Would be used as tempoary grainstore in summer and store machines and some straw in winter.
Needs to tip 20 tonne trailer.
What would you guys recomend ?

Virtually no tax relief on a machinery shed,100% on a grain store,I’d be putting up a grain store and using it to house machinery now and again.

 

[e3120]

Virtually no tax relief on a machinery shed,100% on a grain store,I’d be putting up a grain store and using it to house machinery now and again.

How much grain store-specific paraphernalia is required, and how permanent has it to be, to satisfy the taxman? I thought the test case had a very integrated drying/conditioning system, but there's lots of talk of basic flat stores being assumed to be eligible for relief now.

 

[Tractor18]

How much grain store-specific paraphernalia is required, and how permanent has it to be, to satisfy the taxman? I thought the test case had a very integrated drying/conditioning system, but there's lots of talk of basic flat stores being assumed to be eligible for relief now.

would be flat store. only dry some of the grain through a batch dryer.

 

[BRB John]

2@ 100 x 40 x 23 sheds leaving a gap of 18 > 20ft between the 2 sheds for lorry/tractor access.
Build an open 25ft lean-to down the far side of each shed for Straw storage.
That way you can have plenty grain storage, separate machinery storage & options for straw storage
100 x 40 x 23 won't be wild money based on the span, lean-to each side will be adequate for straw storage & doesn't need concrete floor initially
At a later date you could also roof the gap between the sheds if you wish.

Aww well see you're cheating using space outside the predetermined 100x100ft allowance!

I feel like I'd rather just have a 60ft open space than a 100ft space divided up into 3 areas with beams breaking up the space.
And unless it's mono pitched it's alot more gutters and valley gutters when you fill the gap.
Plus you don't get the height advantage as you do with a single span shed.

 

[Tractor18]

Aww well see you're cheating using space outside the predetermined 100x100ft allowance!

I feel like I'd rather just have a 60ft open space than a 100ft space divided up into 3 areas with beams breaking up the space.
And unless it's mono pitched it's alot more gutters and valley gutters when you fill the gap.
Plus you don't get the height advantage as you do with a single span shed.

sorry mabye wasnt clear. would be 100x100. just a open shed. most of shed to be used at harvest for getting grain in. then after harvest it would store straw and machinery e.g combie/grain and bale trailers and possibly a bit of grain if grainstores are full. could i call it a grainstore with only 1.5m panels or would i have to increase it to 3m. Also would tax refilef still apply if i put it up as a direct replacement with no communcation to building control

 

[Rich_ard]

sorry mabye wasnt clear. would be 100x100. just a open shed. most of shed to be used at harvest for getting grain in. then after harvest it would store straw and machinery e.g combie/grain and bale trailers and possibly a bit of grain if grainstores are full. could i call it a grainstore with only 1.5m panels or would i have to increase it to 3m. Also would tax refilef still apply if i put it up as a direct replacement with no communcation to building control

Its not a replacement as such if you were to get checked out. A replacement it to out up the same as what you had. Chances of getting checked out only you will know your area. Around here new shed go up with no concerns or planning all the time.

 

[Rich_ard]

sorry mabye wasnt clear. would be 100x100. just a open shed. most of shed to be used at harvest for getting grain in. then after harvest it would store straw and machinery e.g combie/grain and bale trailers and possibly a bit of grain if grainstores are full. could i call it a grainstore with only 1.5m panels or would i have to increase it to 3m. Also would tax refilef still apply if i put it up as a direct replacement with no communcation to building control

Why have such a high shed with a low panel. By the time you count sheets and purlin you are well into the cost of a concrete panel.

 

[Tractor18]

Why have such a high shed with a low panel. By the time you count sheets and purlin you are well into the cost of a concrete panel.

will likley depend on cost, not much point in having high panels if only storing grain tempoary before it runs through the dryer

 

[Rich_ard]

will likley depend on cost, not much point in having high panels if only storing grain tempoary before it runs through the dryer

You said you had a 20 ton trailer. Can't imagine that leaving a pile less than 1.5 m high!