I thought Cummins was in there somewhere
New Mccormick Tractors
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Bossfarmer
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- between Perth and Inverness
so whats the price range for a 170hp mcckormick? 75-80k?
Cowabunga
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- Ceredigion,Wales
Cummins pulled out many years ago. They have a very similar engine built in their USA factory. Not sure whether they still build them in the UK as well.
The Italian versions were officially known as Fiat Power Trains, New Engine Family, or NEF.
Various end use customers may call the engine by different names to suit their marketing narrative.
The NEF engines are now in tierV compliant guise and called N45 and N67 respectively and their swept volume is easily deduced by the model number, the former being four cylinder and the latter six of 4.5 and 6.7 litres respectively.
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That's one to discuss with your local dealer. But afraid you'll struggle to find any 170hp tractors for much under 100K now unless it's already built in someone's yard and very basic spec.
Pebd99
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Just rebuilt 2 McCormick engines. Most definitely different engines. Tried to source cnh engine parts. Completely different pistons. Different Conrods with a bigger small end bearing and gudgeon pin. Big ends were also different sizes. Heads were the same tho. That’s on 2011 ttx’s.
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That be different than an x7 then
Cowabunga
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Different ages and power ratings of engines will have different parts. There will also be differences to things like manifolds and position of oil fill, filters and custom sumps.
Compare the same generation and power of the NEF engines of the same power output approximately, and the internal parts should be interchangeable.
There will be hundreds of permutations of the NEF family by now with the majority of them obsolete as current build engines. That’s even though they will still be building high emission versions for some markets.
An example of major differences between generations would be that older 125hp engines would be mechanically injected 6.7 litre units but later ones will be either 4.5 or 6.7 litre engines with common rail injection, with or without various stages of emission equipment. Each version is likely to have different pistons, possibly timing, camshafts and other components. No matter whose name is on the identification plate or what the machinery manufacturer decides to call the engines.
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- Co antrim
I hope theyv improved the paint on the front grill as it rusts and spoils the look of them very badly
It's now a plastic grille to solve this!
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Thats a case of its a small thing that will make a big difference
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- Co antrim
They probably have got a price rise but...Probably already been said but I think the new ones I have a premium price, but trouble is they are not see as a premium brand,
Say for easy counting 2 years ago a mcc was 80k and a similar jd was 110k, now the mcc is say 95-100k but the jd is 130-135k. So when u hear the price of the mccormick u automatically think thats round the price of a jd which makes buying a mccormick seem ludicrous, its only when u price the other brands that u realise the price difference is somewhere around the same percentage it has been for the last lota years
Absolutely this! They've all gone up an insane amount im afraid.
But when you can have a new case for less money it’s going to be a hard sell, not that I am a case man but they are probably seen as a bigger brand!
New 6r 185 due next month 
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I honestly cant comment on the new case for less than mccormick as i dont know, what i do know is a relation that had jd bought a mccormick x7 4pot and a new tanker for less than a lesser spec jd was costing them, afaik the jd didnt have front links or a weight block on it. Yes u could argue that the jd will hold its money far better and that is very true but theyr stockmen and keep the tractors at least 20 years plus some so second hand value isnt such an issue for themBut when you can have a new case for less money it’s going to be a hard sell, not that I am a case man but they are probably seen as a bigger brand!
Have recently found the McCormicks to be the same or slightly less than an equivalent CNH but this wasn't the case until the Stage V machines. Think the Italians realised that's where they needed to be to get some momentum behind the brand.But when you can have a new case for less money it’s going to be a hard sell, not that I am a case man but they are probably seen as a bigger brand!
A big part of the issue I find is people want a price before they try it. Then when it isn't cheap like they were expecting they don't even give it a chance.
Just going to be a hard sell when other more established premium brands have well-established premium dealers backing them now!
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The local mccormick dealer is small but is a very decent chap. Its 1 of the reasons i wouldnt rule out buying 2 sometimeJust going to be a hard sell when other more established premium brands have well-established premium dealers backing them now!
beltbreaker
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Got a "wee" 160hp on demo at the moment. Never considered one before but get on with dealer so gave it a go... Very surprising machine, small and nimble enough around the yard planted well enough on 5f KV without weights on front. Good ZF back end 9.3t lift similar I suspect to Kubota and Deutz, less good is Bosch electro hydraulics which have always frustrated me, frugal FPT motor. Gearbox is a revelation compared to what I am used to with plenty of gears and auto modes. Looking for a loader/backup to big arable machine and visibility is cracking for that job. Controls take a bit of getting used to seat is rubbish, can feels cheap cracking heater and air con though and back window only opens half way and I can see it's demise when I shut it on top link.. Cab is a tad small and mirrors are too small. Price is very competitive and it's on the mix especially as this is almost an enforced buy and I would like to make other parts of farm more efficient...
Guessing that's a new X7 swb? Haven't had any issues with the electric hydraulics in other X7's we've sold so think you'll be OK. Very much agree with you on the rear window. However I'm told on the new cab in development they've realised longer gas struts would be a good idea!