New quarantine

Discussion in 'Livestock & Forage' started by Benn, Sep 8, 2016.

  1. Benn

    Benn Member

    what would you recomend in my situation
    Bought in ewes last year not eae accredited none aborted. Bought sime ewe lambs today not eae accredited ,buying in ewe lambs in two weeks time which are eae accredited.enzovax or not?i was just planning on toxovax but worth doing both?
    Only around 50-80
     
  2. bovine

    bovine Member

    Location:
    North
    I'd do both without any hesitation, but then its not my money. Seen so many enzo abortion storms. It remains the most diagnosed cause of sheep abortion.
     
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  3. Benn

    Benn Member

    Ill will do it for what cost
    In future if i bought in just eae accredited ewe lambs i wouldnt have to enzovax them?
     
  4. bovine

    bovine Member

    Location:
    North
    They would be at massive risk. Enzootic means 'everywhere'.

    For most disease I agree with accreditation, not with EAE.
     
  5. GTB

    GTB Member

    Location:
    Ceredigion, wales
    We have stopped vaccinating for toxo and enzo due to the staggering cost of doing large numbers. But we don't buy any females in.

    If a pregnant ewe gets toxo she will abort and she will also shed the bug to other ewes but any ewe that gets infected will then be immune for life. Many farmers now try to keep their prospective ewe lambs near to a source of infection, usually cats from the nearest village so that they become infected and therefore immune before getting in lamb.

    With enzo you do have a get out of jail card in that should your sheep suffer an abortion storm it can be stopped in its tracks by injecting long acting Terramycin to the in lamb ewes every three weeks until they lamb. Unfortunately they never become immune unless vaccinated.

    I bet @bovine will be around any second to shoot me down. ;)
     
  6. Benn

    Benn Member

    So worth always vaccinating boight in sheep and replacement ewe lambs?
     
  7. GTB

    GTB Member

    Location:
    Ceredigion, wales
    On a cost per ewe versus potential loss then yes. But when you're faced with a bill for several thousand pounds for doing a large flock you do think twice.
     
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  8. neilo

    neilo Member

    Location:
    Montgomeryshire
    Are you a gambling man?

    Definitely worth doing both if you're buying in any IMO. If you are closed, you might risk not doing Enzovac, but that's the cheap one at about a quid. Toxovax can come in any time, whether it's from your young cats, a neighbouring one, or even some infected cat sh*t in bought in feed. Unfortunately Toxovax is £4.50 or so a shot, so (as posted above) gets to be a scary bill with any number to do. Of course, potential losses are also much greater in bigger flocks too. Just done 180 ewe lambs with Toxovax here.:cry:
     
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  9. Benn

    Benn Member

    In not a gambling man so ill cover for both
    Cheers
     
  10. Benn

    Benn Member

    Might sound silly but Is toxovax and enzovax a one off vaccine?
     
  11. neilo

    neilo Member

    Location:
    Montgomeryshire
    They used to be, but the data sheet has been changed to once every four years IIRC. I don't know of anyone that gives a second dose though.
     
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  12. jemski

    jemski Member

    Location:
    Dorset
    Toxo isn't spread from ewe to ewe, but enzo is. Toxo is picked up from the environment (mostly via young cat faeces in bedding and hay).

    I toxovax, having had a problem here in the past, and have 120 ewe lambs to do next week
     
  13. Bwcho

    Bwcho Member

    Location:
    Cymru
    Do you know how much per ewe does the toxo dose work out at @jemski ?
    (If you don't mind me asking)
     
  14. jemski

    jemski Member

    Location:
    Dorset
    I will let you know tomorrow
     
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  15. jemski

    jemski Member

    Location:
    Dorset
    It's expensive, but better than dead or unviable lambs at lambing time - so depressing. And I only do them once. It does make me a lot less inclined to cull any ewe lambs once they've been jabbed!
     
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  16. Bwcho

    Bwcho Member

    Location:
    Cymru
    I can imagine.
    Will have to enquire to see what's the smallest size bottles of toxo and enzo they do.
    The biggest dilemma I can foresee for me (apart from paying the bill) would be determining the cut-off point of the ewes age to not vaccine. Got quite a few 3 year olds and wondering whether it would be waste of time/worth doing these or just the ewe lambs / yearlings :sick:

    N.B. @Benn - sorry for hijacking the thread. :unsure:
     
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  17. GTB

    GTB Member

    Location:
    Ceredigion, wales
    You're quite right that toxo doesn't spread from ewe to ewe but an infected ewe does shed the disease in her urine and faeces as well as in contaminated afterbirth IIRC. Pretty sure the vets used to advise putting aborted ewes in with dry ewes to avoid infecting other in lamb ewes but also to deliberately infect dry ewes so that they would be immune the following year.
     
  18. jemski

    jemski Member

    Location:
    Dorset
    When we tested and it came back positive for toxo, I vaccinated everything. Now I just do replacements. It comes in one size bottle, I think it's 10 doses per bottle.
     
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  19. GTB

    GTB Member

    Location:
    Ceredigion, wales
    I think @neilo said about £4.50 per head
     
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  20. Bwcho

    Bwcho Member

    Location:
    Cymru
    (y)
     

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