New threats from germany

[caveman]

We should have kept on bombing them till nothing was left, problems would have been solved once and for all

Nonsense.
Without a whipping boy.........
We'd be doing nothing but arguing and fighting amongst ourselves....

 

[More to life]

seemingly tried to undemocratically take control of our country

people (lots of them) gave their lives to avoid this in the past


all this bullpoo scaremongering about how no one will want to do business with the worlds 5th largest economy or WW3 / IRA trouble etc will all restart is just ridiculous and I can hardly believe politicians except us to take them seriously when spouting such rubbish !

Have you made up your mind yet Clive

 

[Clive]

not 100% yet

but I really am beginning towards out, the frankly stupid arguments from the in campaign have done nothing to help their cause, I certainly don't believe that this country is incapable of standing on its own feet economicaly, I don't think leaving compromises our security or defence in anyway that we can't sort ourselves (better control over our borders may even improve it)

I also think we are leaving anyway, I know so few people from all walks of life and levels of wealth and hardly any say they are voting in, I reckon the polls that say its even close are very wrong (again !)

The only good reason I have seen to stay in is that this could be the beginning of the end of the EU and that could trigger global currency meltdowns leading to the mother of all depression / recession - that would not be pleasant to say the least !! however staying in because everyone is in too deep already to leave isn't a great reason is it !

 

[Honest john]

not 100% yet

but I really am beginning towards out, the frankly stupid arguments from the in campaign have done nothing to help their cause, I certainly don't believe that this country is incapable of standing on its own feet economicaly, I don't think leaving compromises our security or defence in anyway that we can't sort ourselves (better control over our borders may even improve it)

I also think we are leaving anyway, I know so few people from all walks of life and levels of wealth and hardly any say they are voting in, I reckon the polls that say its even close are very wrong (again !)

The only good reason I have seen to stay in is that this could be the beginning of the end of the EU and that could trigger global currency meltdowns leading to the mother of all depression / recession - that would not be pleasant to say the least !! however staying in because everyone is in too deep already to leave isn't a great reason is it !

I had a 2nd call from Remain today. What side do you stand on Sir, Remain

 

[More to life]

not 100% yet

but I really am beginning towards out, the frankly stupid arguments from the in campaign have done nothing to help their cause, I certainly don't believe that this country is incapable of standing on its own feet economicaly, I don't think leaving compromises our security or defence in anyway that we can't sort ourselves (better control over our borders may even improve it)

I also think we are leaving anyway, I know so few people from all walks of life and levels of wealth and hardly any say they are voting in, I reckon the polls that say its even close are very wrong (again !)

The only good reason I have seen to stay in is that this could be the beginning of the end of the EU and that could trigger global currency meltdowns leading to the mother of all depression / recession - that would not be pleasant to say the least !! however staying in because everyone is in too deep already to leave isn't a great reason is it !

Sadly that sums it up but the financial meltdown is why I'm voting in I can't see anything but long term hardship from an out vote.

 

[Badshot]

We're overdue a revolution.........

 

[Ley253]

The Financial "melt down" is but another "maybe" being taken as gospel. lets concentrate on what we have now, which is, wage depressing unlimited immigration, all our laws being either approved or imposed by Brussels,criminals being told they can stay here, by Brussels, even though our elected government wishes to deport them! And Germany/France issuing threats. If we remain, we will become a republic in a short time, and become just another Franco German conquest.

 

[JP1]

The Financial "melt down" is but another "maybe" being taken as gospel. lets concentrate on what we have now, which is, wage depressing unlimited immigration, all our laws being either approved or imposed by Brussels,criminals being told they can stay here, by Brussels, even though our elected government wishes to deport them! And Germany/France issuing threats. If we remain, we will become a republic in a short time, and become just another Franco German conquest.

A republic just like Spain or The Netherlands you must mean ?

 

[Ley253]

That would describe things. We would be wielding just as much power as well, IE none! Still thats one thing that wouldnt change!

 

[Danllan]

Maybe some will, or will claim to find this post 'offensive', so fair warning is given to liberal apologists who don't like the real world...

Partly due to a great deal of pressure from our 'partners' in Europe the UK agreed to take 20000 Syrian refugees, so far so good. Wind the clock forward six months and for a few days now Nigel Farage has been lambasted for scare-mongering by raising the subject of increased risk of sexual assaults by immigrants who don't fit in our society, he gave the attacks in Germany as an example. He has further pointed out that the million or so refugees Germany has 'welcomed' are overwhelmingly young men and will, within a few years, have EU passports and have an absolute right to come and settle in the UK. All this was rubbished by the Remainers and lefties generally.

Tonight's BBC2 Newsnight was going to continue an ongoing story it has been running about a couple of Syrian refugee families settled in Newcastle. Tonight it decided not to because one of the families' sons and several other Syrian men have just appeared in Court on charges of sexual assault against a fourteen year old girl.

Does 'scare-mongering' cease to be 'scare-mongering' when it turns out to be true?

I don't think there should be any 'likes' for this post because it is too grave a matter for that, just discussion around the subject.

That is all.

 

[Ashtree]

Reading some of these threads I really do sit here and wonder wtf Europe has done to some of the posters to make them so angry.

The pricks are angry in their genes. FFS you have to wonder where the fug this is all going[emoji85]

 

[wanton dwarf]

... it is too grave a matter for that, just discussion around the subject ...

Rotherham, Oxford, Derby, I think there were others.

TBH though this issue wont be touched by the PC liberal set in the UK, despite 25+ years of problems in these towns and cities - it was just hidden.

Regardless it comes back to the main issue before anything.

West Minster has to become accountable and brought to account.

Even getting that far will be a MAJOR battle. There is just way too much money at stake being taken out of the UK Tax Payer and being handed to the chosen few - using immigration as the cash cow.

 

[spin cycle]

Reading some of these threads I really do sit here and wonder wtf Europe has done to some of the posters to make them so angry.

not europe just the 'champagne socialist' elite

Don't waste this chance to steer the EU onto a new path.
The rest of the EU counties are relying on us to show the way ahead.

spot on the ppl of europe are as desperate for reform as we are...they tried with maastricht...now it's up to us

 

[Hilly]

The pricks are angry in their genes. FFS you have to wonder where the fug this is all going[emoji85]

Thats sounds fairly angry to me, you must be also be a pr*ck.

 

[glasshouse]

not 100% yet

but I really am beginning towards out, the frankly stupid arguments from the in campaign have done nothing to help their cause, I certainly don't believe that this country is incapable of standing on its own feet economicaly, I don't think leaving compromises our security or defence in anyway that we can't sort ourselves (better control over our borders may even improve it)

I also think we are leaving anyway, I know so few people from all walks of life and levels of wealth and hardly any say they are voting in, I reckon the polls that say its even close are very wrong (again !)

The only good reason I have seen to stay in is that this could be the beginning of the end of the EU and that could trigger global currency meltdowns leading to the mother of all depression / recession - that would not be pleasant to say the least !! however staying in because everyone is in too deep already to leave isn't a great reason is it !

The same crap was spouted by the NO campaign in the scottish referendum, which slashed the NO vote to under half with ten days to go.
When will Merkel and sarkozy arrive with a VOW?

 

[Muck Spreader]

What?
Your posts make zero sense.
Clearly countries that are teetering on the brink such as Italy, Spain, Portugal etc cannot afford to pay, so the Germans, French, U.K. And all other Nations with money will have to foot the bill. Do you honestly think the Germans would rather pay more?
It's also a fact that we pay more to Europe than we receive back (in direct money, not trade) so that money must go somewhere as it doesn't come back here.
By the way I am an in voter, I just hate all this political posturing.

The claim: The Vote Leave campaign is claiming that "UK taxpayers will keep paying for the huge bills caused by the euro crisis" and that "these bills will only increase".

Reality Check verdict: The UK will not pay for future eurozone bailouts. This has already been agreed by EU leaders. In addition, the UK-EU deal from February, which will be implemented if the UK votes to stay in the EU, reinforces this and states that the UK would be reimbursed if the general EU budget is used for the cost of the eurozone crisis. Source BBC.

 

[RobFZS]

The claim: The Vote Leave campaign is claiming that "UK taxpayers will keep paying for the huge bills caused by the euro crisis" and that "these bills will only increase".

Reality Check verdict: The UK will not pay for future eurozone bailouts. This has already been agreed by EU leaders. In addition, the UK-EU deal from February, which will be implemented if the UK votes to stay in the EU, reinforces this and states that the UK would be reimbursed if the general EU budget is used for the cost of the eurozone crisis. Source BBC.

you believe that?

regardless of a eurozone bailout, the HOC library, which is on neither side, is showing a massive increase in payments next year

 

[mushnt grummmble]

The claim: The Vote Leave campaign is claiming that "UK taxpayers will keep paying for the huge bills caused by the euro crisis" and that "these bills will only increase".

Reality Check verdict: The UK will not pay for future eurozone bailouts. This has already been agreed by EU leaders. In addition, the UK-EU deal from February, which will be implemented if the UK votes to stay in the EU, reinforces this and states that the UK would be reimbursed if the general EU budget is used for the cost of the eurozone crisis. Source BBC.

Source bbc
British biased corporation

 

[Honest john]

A republic just like Spain or The Netherlands you must mean ?

I know you are away at present.
But I hope you have taken in Sir James Dysons interview & Sir Anthony Bamfords letter.
These are real British ( British owned ) businesses. Exporting huge amounts of products to the world, much more outside of the EU.

These are people to take note of not the career politicians that fill the TV screens & newspapers daily.

 

[JP1]

I know you are away at present.
But I hope you have taken in Sir James Dysons interview & Sir Anthony Bamfords letter.
These are real British ( British owned ) businesses. Exporting huge amounts of products to the world, much more outside of the EU.

These are people to take note of not the career politicians that fill the TV screens & newspapers daily.

I have various reports on podcasts. Trouble is you only get soundbytes not the entire information.

True they should be respected for their views, Bamford because he actually makes a lot of his kit in the UK and Dyson because he used to and because he knows a thing or two about land owning and farming. Did I hear it right that Dyson originally wanted us in the Euro?