Nitrogen 3rd pass

Old apprentice

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Arable Farmer
Location
North west
SU’s, that’s another reason why wheats “don’t look like they used to” in the spring here. We haven’t used Cintac, but where we’ve used Hatra (mesosulfuron + iodosulfuron, Atlantis) it’s fried tillers and slightly bleached the crop. In one field we sprayed the headland with Hatra, and the rest with Gropper (metsulphuron methyl), and you can see the effect to the line.
It’s a great product in a ‘normal’ spring, but we won’t be using Hatra from now on 😕

Agronomist recomended putting cogent adjuvant with cintac as it helped it to be kinder on the crop.
 
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David.

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Mixed Farmer
Location
J11 M40
Think we are approaching the scenario here where all on before mid Feb would be best idea, before annual 8 weeks of drying winds set in.
Be surprised if our crops have used first application of 250kg Piamon yet.
Had further 250kg Nitram before last rain non event a week ago. Not sure if any more will do much, shall have to see what this week does..
 

teslacoils

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Location
Lincolnshire
Turned out a bit lucky - we rely on contractor applied digestate and so to avoid delays went early in march with 1/3 total N. All urea here, which is up for review, so tends to do little until the soil warms up anyway. Digestate is always a bit of an unknown and I'd be surprised if the constant low humidity wind hasn't reduced the available n. So shoved the planned third dose on.
 

Against_the_grain

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Arable Farmer
Location
S.E
Agree with the idea of putting more on earlier. Also think I will be going away from urea to an to help reduce N losses from granules sitting on dry soil for 4 weeks in April. Guaranteed a wet spring next year now!
 

bobk

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Location
stafford
Yes , Ive got the same conundrum , n 2 applied 8/3 , still there until Friday's rain , crop growing away now nicely so do I bang n3 on and watch it bolt or hold on a week or 2 ?
 

Old apprentice

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Arable Farmer
Location
North west
Used urea because we can get deluged of rain in the spring and on lighting soil over gravel . I was fortunate it raind just after I put the urea on . In 2015 we got 60ins of rain.
 

Brisel

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Arable Farmer
Location
North Yorkshire
Get a year with plenty of lodging and you'll regret piling so much on too early! I'm happy with a policy of 40-60 kg N late Feb/early March, then half the balance at GS 30 late March, then the remainder during stem extension in April. At least with all the dry cold weather I know it hasn't leached.
 

Renaultman

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Arable Farmer
Location
Darlington
Get a year with plenty of lodging and you'll regret piling so much on too early! I'm happy with a policy of 40-60 kg N late Feb/early March, then half the balance at GS 30 late March, then the remainder during stem extension in April. At least with all the dry cold weather I know it hasn't leached.
Exactly, 2 or 3 dry springs certainly won't mean they all will be. Looking at the forecasts I will probably finish off early next week, but reserve the right to panic and change my mind. I know for sure there is plenty of N there for the plant's current needs.
 

T Hectares

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Location
Berkshire
160kg of Urea and AS was on 4 weeks ago, remaining 80kg of AN will go on later this week when the wind drops, 14mm last night, 18mm last week
Trying a few fields of PolyN where the final dose of AN is replaced with PolyN @ T1,2,3
 

Secret Agronomist

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Arable Farmer
All done "here" dry and cold springs following a wet winter means that the first dose hasn't gone on until early march for the last 3 years still do 3 equal splits but finished by 20th april this year. Been experimenting with using limus and liquisafe this year to see if they make a difference. Did a split field of rye with one big dose using didin on one side and liquisafe on the other and it looks the same as the rest.
Problem with 1 dose of liquid is, if you have a missed bit there is not another pass when you could top it up :X3:
 

fudge

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire.
We have done a total of 185kg of N on wheat. It was my intention to buy a “top up” of 30kg/ha however I won’t bother with that now. 185kg is certainly able to support a 9/10 t/ha crop here and given the wet winter I don’t believe potential yields are above that level.
 

teslacoils

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Location
Lincolnshire
We have done a total of 185kg of N on wheat. It was my intention to buy a “top up” of 30kg/ha however I won’t bother with that now. 185kg is certainly able to support a 9/10 t/ha crop here and given the wet winter I don’t believe potential yields are above that level.
Ah I'd never get 10t at 185kg, especially after oats.
 

Renaultman

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Arable Farmer
Location
Darlington
We have done a total of 185kg of N on wheat. It was my intention to buy a “top up” of 30kg/ha however I won’t bother with that now. 185kg is certainly able to support a 9/10 t/ha crop here and given the wet winter I don’t believe potential yields are above that level.
I'm going to be at about 200 and am thinking the same.
 

MrNoo

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Arable Farmer
Location
Cirencester
Im thinking of swapping from urea first dose to amsul to get crops going sooner, I put urea on mid feb but the cold soils ment the crops got off to a slow start compared to neighbours who used AN.
2nd dose as urea mid march and chuck the lot on job done.
Next door used liquid and me Urea, mine was slow out the blocks to start and theirs looked a picture, mine now looks lovely while there's is looking tipped and looks lacking in something. I think the frosts didnt help after they put the liquid on.
I shall stick with Urea, I like it
 

teslacoils

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Location
Lincolnshire
Really? We have had 11.5 after 220kg first or second alike. Pleased I don’t grow a hungry crop such as oats.
Well, it varies a lot. 11.5 from 220 as a second cereal is really good nitrogen efficiency. I get the higher tons of grain / n from the oats but then have to put it back on for the wheat. Certainly we don't get the rooting when drilling in late October compared to late September. So more on. Any excess turns to protein anyway which we get paid for. I'd say for us after oats I'd be happy with 25kgN per ton of wheat as feed.

Sept drilled after grass a totally different kettle of fish.
 

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