Derrrrr it was a t r a c t o r driven by a f a r m lad , most likely en route to his farm with the intention of using it for farm work it`s even possible he bought it off a farmer .
Non Roadworthy Ag Vehicles
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kiwi pom
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I don't see how a MOT or HGV licence would have helped in this case. It doesn't matter how many bits of paper you have it doesn't fix stupid.
I don't think you need extra rules for farm equipment, there's already enough, they're just not enforced and the penalties are not harsh enough.
Why punish those that are doing things right with more regulation? go after those that take the p*ss.
Contractors using tractors to haul stuff long distances for other people is a different matter, they're are basically trucks doing transport and should be treated differently.
I don't think you need extra rules for farm equipment, there's already enough, they're just not enforced and the penalties are not harsh enough.
Why punish those that are doing things right with more regulation? go after those that take the p*ss.
Contractors using tractors to haul stuff long distances for other people is a different matter, they're are basically trucks doing transport and should be treated differently.
spin cycle
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so tractors don't get used for non ag purposes?..better tell the local fishermen , highways boys and hunny cart drivers.......if you work on a farm all you do is ag work?... and the rest is supposition
fact is this trailer was not being used in an agricultual role at the time of the accident....it wasn't a trailer designed for farm work and so it is not an ag vehicle IMO.....which is implied in the thread title
Having seen too many idiots hauling massive loads on artic combos locally, I think I have to agree with you
Do pop that up on the DM comments section.. Lots of faulty logic on there :-(
spin cycle
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go on then
Hilly
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If someone is going to break the law they break the law end of story, making more laws will crucify the genuine law abiding person not the law breaker.
TheTallGuy
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Ultimately, whether or not it was an "agricultural vehicle" , someone has lost their life because someone else used an "Agricultural Vehicle" (i.e. a tractor) in conjunction with agricultural exemptions to move a piece of equipment that was not roadworthy. Regardless of the technicalities the public perception is that it is down to a farmer chancing it, such behaviour also gives ammunition to those seeking to increase the burden of regulations on farmers!
I don't claim to be perfect, but when it comes to roadwork I take safety seriously and don't chance it because the consequences of getting it wrong can be horrendous as we have seen.
I don't claim to be perfect, but when it comes to roadwork I take safety seriously and don't chance it because the consequences of getting it wrong can be horrendous as we have seen.
gone up the hill
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So what do you suggest doing about the sh!t driving you see every day on the Motorways etc by lorry drivers?? one thing you see daily is them driving far too close together, quite often its a meter at best.
Any one remember the accident in Cornwall a few years ago? where the lorry driver hadn't secured his load of diggers correctly and the digger arms swung into the path of oncoming cars killing several drivers.
spin cycle
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there was a kiwi news story on last night ,that a lot of vehicles down here are unsafe including trucks
I don't know for sure
renewablejohn
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I would have had more sympathy if at least the dolly had been upto standard and he had actually used a working light board. Then at least you could argue with the court it was only the trailer that was dodgy and at least you could show an attempt was made at improving the condition by having working lights. Might not have saved a jail sentence but would clearly have shown some attempt at health and safety.
TheTallGuy
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Whilst that is valid to a point, you have to consider the difference between willful and negligent law breaking. In the above case I suspect it was negligence - because the rules on agricultural combinations are 'loose', the driver didn't fully consider what he was doing, whereas with tighter regulations, licensing etc. then there would be more thought put into what folk do. I was chatting to a lorry driver the other day who regaled me with stories of how things used to be & finished up by saying how drivers wouldn't even consider working that way any more for fear of loosing their licences - or worse!
By putting appropriate regulations into place, you push people to work in the right way and you gain a useful stick to beat the wilful law breakers over the head with & the impact of such regulations on those doing it right to start with should be minimal.
I was going to say I bet no bugger ever dragged an artic trailer with no MOT home with an artic unit
And with tacho`s will come monitoring of hours worked by farm staff and owners , the ones to blame for that coming about will be the clowns that find breaking current laws and rules amusing , then they`ll moan hows there even more red tape..
Cowcalf
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I always go underneath behind fifth wheel and shine a torch to see locking bar is fully engaged, They reckon when you back into a trailer with arctic the trailer should lock first time, not after several tries to be in good working order
traadilooar
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It is a very bad thing, but I can’t see anything changed in the way of mot license etc being imposed, speed is the main killer on the roads but no one seems to take any notice of speed limits, even buying camera detectors etc. Whereas if the want for road safety was there a 5 year ban retake test and £10,000 fine for any speed infringement would be a deterrent, but the sad fact is everyone’s guilty so not so keen on that one.
dowcow
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I point blank refused to use one dodgy old trailer with no lights or brakes for a couple of miles on the road, and it really pee'd him off. He ended up pulling it himself. In the following years we convinced him to buy, albeit begrudgingly some trailers that were fit for the purpose. I had used the trailer in the past, but without refusing he would have expected me to keep doing it.
I feel for the 19 year old lad who probably didn't feel he had the ability to refuse what was being asked of him.
I feel for the 19 year old lad who probably didn't feel he had the ability to refuse what was being asked of him.