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- Fife
I'm sure it does happen. But get caught doing so and your operators licence is in jeopardy. The prospect of losing the business tends to focus the mind somewhat.
Non Roadworthy Ag Vehicles
- Thread starter unlacedgecko
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I'm sure it does happen. But get caught doing so and your operators licence is in jeopardy. The prospect of losing the business tends to focus the mind somewhat.
- Location
- Fife
Shedding straw on roundabouts is due to driver negligence. Lincencing and the additional training drivers are required to undergo will reduce the incidence of incorrectly secured loads.
Tarw Coch
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- Location
- Bottom of Wats Dyke
Plenty of straw wagons tipped on roundabouts, I presume they've had the training you mention, CPC etc
I'm certainly not going to wish for more legislation on the industry but people do need to think and take responsibility for their actions, having an insecure load is already illegal, using an unroadworthy vehicle is already illegal.
fieldfarmer
Member
The bit I read doesn't say the tractors owners or his employers were involved, I would guess that the fact they haven't been charged means the agricultural tractor was borrowed for this non agriculutral haulage, probable with consent.
Rowland
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- Location
- Northeast England
Spot on ! I hate to say this but I grew up starting on small tractors gently progressing to now using tractors either side of 200hp .
This got me used to bigger tractors and machinery behind them. Weather or not it would be helpful to have a weight/hp limit for different ages up to 21 I don’t know.
Would this stop younger people get work ? Maybe!
The unfortunate truth is that the young lad in the news story has little or no excuses for what happened he and the family he so badly effected will have to live on with the consequences of his actions.
The only mitigating point is that I believe is his inexperience due to his age . The owner of the tractor and of the trailer friends and possibly family should have advised against him taking the trailer out on the roads .
I’ve broken plenty of rules over the years but with age comes caution .
Laws are already in place for unsafe vehicles on the road just because a trailer passes a mot one day in week it could be totally different.
Don’t know if it still happens but haulage companies used to have a set of Mot tyres for the trucks.
I very much doubt it as tyres are cheap compared with todays fines and the possibility of losing your operators licence.
It can be £2500 fine and 3 points.......per tyre.
- Location
- East Sussex
Whatever the circumstances I wasn’t impressed with this statement in his defence:
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He said Retter had seen 'customs and practices in the agricultural community' where farmers are 'out there on a daily basis doing thing they shouldn't be doing with vehicles'.
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It’s about taking it on the chin and not blaming others for your own incompetence. The lad knew it was going south when the trailer started bouncing about and that was when he should have stopped and held his hands up.
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He said Retter had seen 'customs and practices in the agricultural community' where farmers are 'out there on a daily basis doing thing they shouldn't be doing with vehicles'.
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It’s about taking it on the chin and not blaming others for your own incompetence. The lad knew it was going south when the trailer started bouncing about and that was when he should have stopped and held his hands up.
caveman
Member
- Location
- East Sussex.
This sort of thing would be what happens daily on the land, away from gaze on the public highway, where lads and even elders just tear about without much thought.
A great training ground, where those in charge may not give two hoots as long is the job gets done.
No doubt said lad and his mates would be pi55ing their selves laughing had it happened on a farm track and it would be the thing of legends.
But would they have learnt any lessons?
It all points to a far more professional attitude being introduced and imposed onto the industry.
Don't think for one minute, that any regulations that may be imposed due to the constant occurence of such incidents, will stop at the farm gate.
A great training ground, where those in charge may not give two hoots as long is the job gets done.
No doubt said lad and his mates would be pi55ing their selves laughing had it happened on a farm track and it would be the thing of legends.
But would they have learnt any lessons?
It all points to a far more professional attitude being introduced and imposed onto the industry.
Don't think for one minute, that any regulations that may be imposed due to the constant occurence of such incidents, will stop at the farm gate.
borderterribles
Member
- Location
- South Shropshire
Absolutely tragic for all concerned. Does anyone know if the dolly did let the trailer go, or if it came unhitched from the tractor? If it was the former, wouldn't the trailer legs stop it pretty sharpish?
tommyurray
Member
Agree that prison will do no good but could you survive 33 months working for nothing and still eat and live in your house
The country will pay around £1000/ week to keep him in prison is this money well spent ?
I Think the sentence is too harsh as it is but then it was not one of my family that was killed
Scholsey
Member
- Location
- Herefordshire
The story made it sound like the dolly let the trailer go but it sounds like there is far more to the story than that from a couple of the brief/vague posts somerset members posts who'd i'd imagine know more than the daily mail.
- Location
- West Somerset
Lock him up at night get him working during the day some form of day release, something positive should come from this accident!, Easy for me to say I know
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Courier
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- Location
- M62 - M1 - M18 triangle
Distant neighbouring farmer was also a haulage contractor with 3 wagons all on the same registration number and only one lot of insurance - He was always very careful to send them in different directions ,,,,, got away with it until tachos came in (An EU requirement)
Rowland
Member
- Location
- Northeast England
Yes but you can’t definitely say that some don’t still do it.
Cowcalf
Member
- Location
- North of Scotland
quite a few truck workshops have a set of new tyres on wheels that are used just for mot test, but that does not mean the tyres that go back on the truck are dangerous or illegal, it just saves a lot of hassle with small cuts etc.
renewablejohn
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- Location
- lancs
Standard policy on my old Merc was to put the "MOT" tyres on as the wheel nuts had grommets which used to split in half and was an automatic fail. When MOT tyres fitted the grommets where replaced with new grommets until the next test. If grommet split on roadside inspection then replaced with spares in the glove box which normally stopped a ticket being issued. Not many things badly designed on a Merc but that was one.
you would have thought so
I have been told a couple things but don't know for sure,
for all most folk know it may have been that the hitch was not clipped properly and it jumped off the pick up hitch, that would make all talk of a trailer pulled out the hedge with faults immaterial
Is that really true?
He had three lorries on the same reg number so would only send them out in different directions? Are you telling porkies?
fieldfarmer
Member
He didn't say one at a time did he?
(above post has know been edited)
multi power
Member
- Location
- pembrokeshire
The legislation is fine, it just needs to be enforced, I'd say 50% of new tractors are running illigeall