Non so stupid as farmers

[gone up the hill]

Farmers demanded the MMB be broken up saying that competition would bring efficientcies and better milk prices how wrong they were.
Next farmers were eager to sign up to crop assurance when it was first started, they thought it would lead to better prices and if not then they could drop out. Except the trade soon made all crops assured.

Now i see that 2/3 of farmers want out out of EU Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.
The last 40 years have been the most profitable farmers have had ,with it be by intervention guarantying prices or Direct payments and subsidy.

I hear that farmers who want out of the EU are saying subsidies keep inefficient farmers going and if those inefficient farmers could be forced out of business then it would free up land for them to then take on to farm Dooh.
I class myself as a large efficient business but there is no way i want to get larger at those less fortunate than myself. expense.
The British government is not going pay equal amounts to farmers that the EU does, whether it is conservative or labour.
We should all thank the french with their burning a tyre in the street attitude to getting farm support.
Iam voting in and all farmers should think very carefully before casting us all adrift without a life boat.
Rant over and breathe.

Aye farming is doing really well at the moment

Farmers that vote to stay in are about as foolish as they come!

 

[marshbarn]

Why will Turkey be 20 years before they join?

Do you think Germany will allow them in any sooner? Angela Merkle Has said it will be many many years.

 

[Rob Holmes]

Not sure if been posted elsewhere....

 

[chaffcutter]

........and we know that she's the boss, don't we ?

I don't like that one bit

 

[gone up the hill]

Do you think Germany will allow them in any sooner? Angela Merkle Has said it will be many many years.

She has no power, the EU is what 27 country's now? what the HELL gives her the right on her own to say who can/ cannot join?

Sounds like the EU is now ruled by Germany!

 

[spin cycle]

Not sure if been posted elsewhere....

very good that

 

[milkloss]

Do you think Germany will allow them in any sooner? Angela Merkle Has said it will be many many years.

They may well do if they need a Muslim state to start swinging it's weight around Europes Muslim population.

 

[Henarar]

by your other input i thought you were 'remain' ....sorry

I am not above having a go at both sides of this argument

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

The last 40 years have been the most profitable farmers have had ,with it be by intervention guarantying prices or Direct payments and subsidy.

your having a laugh, get your facts right, farming was very good right through the 60s that was before we joined the EEC and the seventies, it was 80s onwards that it started to go down hill, and it is still going down hill so what has the EU done to farming

 

[caveman]

Doesn't Turkey have one of the biggest armed services in the world?
Goosestepping Herr Junker can't wait to get his hands on them to complete a pincer movement on he Ruskies.
That's what the EU want.... and especially the Krauts....... all that land and riches beyond Moscow..... then onwards to Bejing....

 

[milkloss]

Back to the op: If you want guidance on which way to vote from my experience you are best to NOT do what the NFU tell you to. Simples.

 

[David.]

Doesn't Turkey have one of the biggest armed services in the world?
Goosestepping Herr Junker can't wait to get his hands on them to complete a pincer movement on he Ruskies.
That's what the EU want.... and especially the Krauts....... all that land and riches beyond Moscow..... then onwards to Bejing....

The 4th Reich then

 

[milkloss]

Doesn't Turkey have one of the biggest armed services in the world?
Goosestepping Herr Junker can't wait to get his hands on them to complete a pincer movement on he Ruskies.
That's what the EU want.... and especially the Krauts....... all that land and riches beyond Moscow..... then onwards to Bejing....

Kind of my point really, our charitable, all accepting Europe doesn't know how to handle the kind of person immigrating at the minute.

I bet Turkey will sort them out if there is a bit of religion based disquiet.

 

[caveman]

The 4th Reich then

Yep.
And the Poles are fed up with being piggy in the middle........ that's why they're all over here now.
Read the signs.
Read the signs.

 

[caveman]

Kind of my point really, our charitable, all accepting Europe doesn't know how to handle the kind of person immigrating at the minute.

I bet Turkey will sort them out if there is a bit of religion based disquiet.

But they will want and are already demanding a kings ransom to play ball.

 

[marshbarn]

your having a laugh, get your facts right, farming was very good right through the 60s that was before we joined the EEC and the seventies, it was 80s onwards that it started to go down hill, and it is still going down hill so what has the EU done to farming

Farming was a back breaking slog in the sixties, We all like to think the 80 and 90 were bad but with guarantied prices farmers could invest in land and or new up to date machinery.

 

[Tha Ulsterscot]

finally brexit isn't just about 'cash in our hands' ...it should go deeper reflecting the hard won freedoms of past generations and preserving our nation the way we want it...i don't want to be told by unelected career bureaucrats in brussels how to live my life

I'm voting 'OUT'

Here Here, 100%

 

[beefandsleep]

EU schengeen visas in months though....in exchange for taking 1 out of 2 syrian refugees back

Yes, take them in, give them Turkish passports then send them back. Lol, you can see that coming a mile off but the feckless bureaucrats haven't given it a thought.

 

[rob1]

Farmers demanded the MMB be broken up saying that competition would bring efficientcies and better milk prices how wrong they were.
Next farmers were eager to sign up to crop assurance when it was first started, they thought it would lead to better prices and if not then they could drop out. Except the trade soon made all crops assured.

Now i see that 2/3 of farmers want out out of EU Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.
The last 40 years have been the most profitable farmers have had ,with it be by intervention guarantying prices or Direct payments and subsidy.

I hear that farmers who want out of the EU are saying subsidies keep inefficient farmers going and if those inefficient farmers could be forced out of business then it would free up land for them to then take on to farm Dooh.
I class myself as a large efficient business but there is no way i want to get larger at those less fortunate than myself. expense.
The British government is not going pay equal amounts to farmers that the EU does, whether it is conservative or labour.
We should all thank the french with their burning a tyre in the street attitude to getting farm support.
Iam voting in and all farmers should think very carefully before casting us all adrift without a life boat.
Rant over and breathe.

I know its been sunny but think you must have sun stroke, it was MT that got rid of the MMB not farmers that demanded it, not sure many wanted FA except the top brass at the nfu who sucked up to the supermarkets, if you really think the last 40 have been the most profitable for farming then I respectfully suggest you google the prices for meat/milk/corn/ rent etc from the past hundred years decade by decade and then the cost of imputs. In 1960 when I was born there was 11 dairy farms in this village with an average of 20 cows, I was the last to give up in 98 when we had taken on a lot of those other dairies land, are you really suggesting that anyone could make a living with 20cows today and if as you say farming has been so profitable why do you need the subs?
If the pound drops as the remain say it will if we leave then our farmgate prices will rise as imports will cost more and exports will be easier

 

[caveman]

Farming was a back breaking slog in the sixties, We all like to think the 80 and 90 were bad but with guarantied prices farmers could invest in land and or new up to date machinery.

And for what?
To wave your Willy and think you were feeding the world whilst you chucked your nieghbour on the scrap heap.
Hardly the original aim of the common ag policy.
As usuall. The fekkin Tories had to take a social ideal and barstewardise it to create a fortune for a few.