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Farma Parma

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Not doing enough hours probably.
And you'd think that tractor designers would've come from a farming background or am I naive thinking that
id be pretty confident that very few tractor designers are not remotely from any sort of Farming background.
Uni/college qualified so know it all. as usual in life.

Tractor hours maybes but unless ya buying 10 annually your not even considered thats what i think.

were so small fry in the UK where not any many a Makers radar
 

daveydiesel1

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id be pretty confident that very few tractor designers are not remotely from any sort of Farming background.
Uni/college qualified so know it all. as usual in life.

Tractor hours maybes but unless ya buying 10 annually your not even considered thats what i think.

were so small fry in the UK where not any many a Makers radar
The smaller farmer should be as much of a priority as the large. The large will possibly have less brand loyalty and will switch easier whereas the smaller operator that has had masseys since his granda was young is the repeat customer that needs lookin after too as hel be in every few years to change. A dealership may have a few large customers and a few hundred smaller customers but its the small customers that will be ther in 10 years and the big boys may have jumped ship cause some other dealer will have chased them
 
Thats correct why dont they speak too us smaller lads we never get anyone here from the Factory yet have stuck with the brand & had the issues most have mentioned on this forum on several models
we also never see future new tractors put too use even in prototype form on any smaller farms do we?
Plenty of us could have so easily prevented silly things like putting toolboxes under diesel tanks from day1
You often wonder what sort of lemons design things that are so far removed from the Farming environment there meant to be working in.
Haven’t bought a new massey for 12 years now but in the years prior to that every new one I bought I had a customer satisfaction survey, two actually, one fairly soon after purchase to gauge my opinion on the sales process and again at about two years to see what issues I’d had and how they’d been resolved.............,,,would have made interesting reading on a couple of 6100’s.

What they haven’t done is send me a survey to find out why my last tractor wasn’t a massey, maybe something they should look into doing with customers who have gone away although MF have no real way of knowing who they are, the dealers will know of course but perhaps there’s no browny points for them admitting they’re losing sales to the competition.
 

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They should have to do a year driving to a contractor doin long hours behind a steering wheel and a year mechanicing to a inde mechanic workin at all brands first before they can design so they know what is needed and expected
so is that in africa hauling sugar cane? soyabeans in Brazil or timberforwarding in norway
 

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Wolud it really matter? A contractor with mixed work,haulage,draft work,top work,construction work and forestry would giv u a fair idea. Be better than no experience
The thing is it won;t happen, those with a bit of ag experince will be there and there will be those without. Bit like all walks of life. If you are going to pick up a bit of experience during summer hols etc but i know how much my engineering degree cost and so i needed to get the most i could as soon as i could to pay for it.

Also there is no job for life so most people wouldn;t give up a couple of years to do something which could be totally irrelevant to their next job if they moved or were made redundant.
 
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Many components in tractors are third party manufactured like electronics and software, and are supplied to several tractor manufacturers. It's not tractor manufacturer's fault for poor manufacturing of these components, but it is their responsibility to ensure these components are right so to ensure their reputation isn't getting tarnished.

Cars and trucks generally have one task carrying goods and/or people, but a tractor model has so many tasks it will be used for across the globe. I feel the tractor builders do a pretty good job to accommodate all the requirements their machines are used for internationally.
 

daveydiesel1

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The thing is it won;t happen, those with a bit of ag experince will be there and there will be those without. Bit like all walks of life. If you are going to pick up a bit of experience during summer hols etc but i know how much my engineering degree cost and so i needed to get the most i could as soon as i could to pay for it
The likes of massey could pay them to drive thier prototypes hired in to contractors and quarries and the likes. The problem with lots of new models is not enough hours spent testin. If this new massey launch was put back a full year and 30 units sent out to do various tasks 24/7 for a year each 1 would have around 8000 hours. This would show up the flaws and theyd save a fortune in warranty claims and most importantly create a excelent reputation which has an uncountable value
 

Wombat

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The likes of massey could pay them to drive thier prototypes hired in to contractors and quarries and the likes. The problem with lots of new models is not enough hours spent testin. If this new massey launch was put back a full year and 30 units sent out to do various tasks 24/7 for a year each 1 would have around 8000 hours. This would show up the flaws and theyd save a fortune in warranty claims and most importantly create a excelent reputation which has an uncountable value
Maybe they have already done this?
 

daveydiesel1

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Maybe they have already done this?
Id doubt it. Mabe am wrong but theyl have done mabe 1000 hours testin. I remember when deere brought out the dd tranny they were advertisin about how they had prototype tested tractors for 1000 hours to prove it. How did that turn out for them? They ended up way tractors out ther breakin down with some small problem that means tractor has to be split. If it had been tested this woulda showed up
 

Andrew

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Designing isn’t as easy a job as some seem to think. You have accountants / production wanting one machine to cover the globe. However the demands of those markets are very different and often in direct contrast. Then it all has to be parcelled up and look good, so compromises have to be made.
A minor change such as making a hole bigger / moving it a few mm can sometimes take days of man hours by the time all the drawings, files, etc are updated. And it all has to be done yesterday.

Then the testing begins and throws a whole load more problems that need overcoming. I’m fairly sure JCB did something like 40,000hrs on the 4220s and they had their fair share of teething problems just like everything else.

All the tractor designers I’ve met are from a farming background, quite a lot seem to do 10-15 years then go home to take over from Dad.
 

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In the 70s and 80s tractor power grew considerably and in the race to compete in these new power segments reliability suffered. In the modern day things are bedded down in power levels and tractor ranges. Machines should generally get to 7500hrs without major problems. The manufacturers have the technology and experience to give us first rate machines and we definitely pay for that level of quality and reliability
 

daveydiesel1

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Designing isn’t as easy a job as some seem to think. You have accountants / production wanting one machine to cover the globe. However the demands of those markets are very different and often in direct contrast. Then it all has to be parcelled up and look good, so compromises have to be made.
A minor change such as making a hole bigger / moving it a few mm can sometimes take days of man hours by the time all the drawings, files, etc are updated. And it all has to be done yesterday.

Then the testing begins and throws a whole load more problems that need overcoming. I’m fairly sure JCB did something like 40,000hrs on the 4220s and they had their fair share of teething problems just like everything else.

All the tractor designers I’ve met are from a farming background, quite a lot seem to do 10-15 years then go home to take over from Dad.
Not contradicting what u said bit ud wonder how jcb spent so much time as all the major components are bought in
 

Farma Parma

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The likes of massey could pay them to drive thier prototypes hired in to contractors and quarries and the likes. The problem with lots of new models is not enough hours spent testin. If this new massey launch was put back a full year and 30 units sent out to do various tasks 24/7 for a year each 1 would have around 8000 hours. This would show up the flaws and theyd save a fortune in warranty claims and most importantly create a excelent reputation which has an uncountable value
They should be tested for 10000hrs end of but id suspect no many ever are, they want you too replace it at 5000hrs afterall.
Iam the wrong customer of there's really but sorry i havnt had the push in life to go big & carry all the hassle n worry in doing so.
Running Machines 15/20yrs as a minimum some twice that the way the job is now
 

Farma Parma

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Designing isn’t as easy a job as some seem to think. You have accountants / production wanting one machine to cover the globe. However the demands of those markets are very different and often in direct contrast. Then it all has to be parcelled up and look good, so compromises have to be made.
A minor change such as making a hole bigger / moving it a few mm can sometimes take days of man hours by the time all the drawings, files, etc are updated. And it all has to be done yesterday.

Then the testing begins and throws a whole load more problems that need overcoming. I’m fairly sure JCB did something like 40,000hrs on the 4220s and they had their fair share of teething problems just like everything else.

All the tractor designers I’ve met are from a farming background, quite a lot seem to do 10-15 years then go home to take over from Dad.
Modern Tractors even tho there quite complicated things are just that Tractors.
They either haul trailers etc or drag or push implements
Now they have had decades to improve on doing this.
all the while upping HP & adding in suspension, clutchless shuttles, clutchless gear changes or a CVT of one type or another.
Adding in Auto-Guidance has been a big leap i must say as one who thought id never get to it.
Prices increase more than twice a year on most of them so dont say they aint getting well paid for producing stuff.
Id love a penny of all there increases added onto a ton of wheat over the last 20years id be minted now.
No such luck for us tho
 

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The latest machination coming from the so-called ‘opinion formers’, who seem to have the ear of government advisors in London, is the introduction of a ‘Meat Tax’ at consumer level.

This approach, it is argued, would have the combined impact of reducing meat consumption levels (I can really see the health benefits coming through now), while also helping to reduce the overall carbon footprint of production agriculture.

What absolute drivel! In my opinion, none of this makes sense at any level. This is a scurrilous and unfounded attack on livestock farming in this part of the world.

Yet, it has to be taken seriously. I make this point because economists at Rothamsted Research have already crunched the numbers where the introduction of a ‘UK...
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