Oregon shutting down small farms

[FonterraFarmer]

Tax payers are a minority in Scotland.

Just how many of the employed actually work???
Or better still do constructive work???

 

[ski]

Is that process democracy? What’s the solution?

Voting restricted to tax payers and a ban on lobbying by anyone or anything other than a voter who can only lobby on his own behalf.

 

[ski]

oh, and MP's to be drawn from people who have worked in a tax paying job for 10 years minimum.

 

[unlacedgecko]

Oregon’s agriculture department reverses ‘burdensome’ requirement on small dairy farms

The Oregon Department of Agriculture is reversing a policy decision some farmers say would have been too burdensome on small dairies.

www.google.com

 

[PSQ]

oh, and MP's to be drawn from people who have worked in a tax paying job for 10 years minimum.

I'm not sure a 'Jury service' type lottery is the solution the country needs, we need the best people with talent and experience.

But then again, part of the current problem is that those who seek election and power over others tend to be narcissistic arseholes...

 

[farmerm]

This ^^^^^^^^^^^ 101%

Make voting compluslory

Make every ballot paper have a None of the above candidate

10 + years of Italian style chaos but it would force ALL political parties to up their game in my view if they knew they couldn't depend on the vote

What that really solve anything, it would drive even shorter term thinking and leave all the long term difficult stuff ignored.. meanwhile China, russia, et al, they plan 10, 20, 30, 50 years down the line.

 

[farmerm]

I'm not sure a 'Jury service' type lottery is the solution the country needs.

But then again, part of the current problem is that those who seek election and power over others tend to be narcissistic arseholes...

I have said it here many times, anyone who demonstrates any wish to be a prime minister or a president should be immediately disqualified from the role for life, in future I will add, on the grounds of them being narsissistic arseholes.

 

[unlacedgecko]

Military service should be a requirement to vote or work in a public paid job.

 

[Woolless]

Military service should be a requirement to vote or work in a public paid job.

I've got flat feet! Does that mean no vote??

 

[JP1]

What that really solve anything, it would drive even shorter term thinking and leave all the long term difficult stuff ignored.. meanwhile China, russia, et al, they plan 10, 20, 30, 50 years down the line.

I think the opposite

I also am on record many times on here; halve the number of MPs or more, double their salary, prohibit outside interests other than professional volunteering , give a Senator type executive office to each to support their work, cut the massive holidays back to 4 weeks like the rest of us, holiday to be taken for electioneering / conferences

Move HoC to Birmingham or ideally Holyrood to shoot the SNP Fox . De-heat Southern England, turn current HoC in to the museum it really is

Cross party committees and governance to get long term strategy done and if not then plenty of pundits and experts will express an opinion and get them sacked pronto

 

[ski]

The problem is, as it appears to me, is that there is no stopping the current collapse until we hit the ground. Five years, ten years, who knows, but there is a lot inertia built up so it will take a while. It will seem slow to those living through it but from an historical perspective it will look very quick. It will be the children of the coming 'winter' that will do the hard work of sorting things out. All generations are formed by the conditions of their youth. We all (mostly all) had it to easy and could never envisage or believe, when we were 20 - 30 how badly things could go.

 

[ski]

I think the opposite

I also am on record many times on here; halve the number of MPs or more, double their salary, prohibit outside interests other than professional volunteering , give a Senator type executive office to each to support their work, cut the massive holidays back to 4 weeks like the rest of us, holiday to be taken for electioneering / conferences

Move HoC to Birmingham or ideally Holyrood to shoot the SNP Fox . De-heat Southern England, turn current HoC in to the museum it really is

Cross party committees and governance to get long term strategy done and if not then plenty of pundits and experts will express an opinion and get them sacked pronto

Changing the 'frame' will not change the picture. All we need are men who seek the truth no matter where it may lead and regardless of costs, but they are ghosts of a bygone era now.

 

[farmerm]

I think the opposite

I also am on record many times on here; halve the number of MPs or more, double their salary, prohibit outside interests other than professional volunteering , give a Senator type executive office to each to support their work, cut the massive holidays back to 4 weeks like the rest of us, holiday to be taken for electioneering / conferences

Move HoC to Birmingham or ideally Holyrood to shoot the SNP Fox . De-heat Southern England, turn current HoC in to the museum it really is

Cross party committees and governance to get long term strategy done and if not then plenty of pundits and experts will express an opinion and get them sacked pronto

Yes that sounds like a much better system

 

[Macsky]

Changing the 'frame' will not change the picture. All we need are men who seek the truth no matter where it may lead and regardless of costs, but they are ghosts of a bygone era now.

There’d be plenty of them still about I reckon, it’s just there is absolutely no room for them, the truth is currently being legislated against.

 

[wanton dwarf]

I watched the video on facebook, my partner thinks I believe in conspiracy theories, seeing all big government as bad and the government are in a cabal with multinational corporations and billionaires to disenfranchise the people (and first of all yeoman farmers or kulaks).

Doing similar in the UK with small flocks of chickens. No matter how often people with small flocks register it will make NO DIFFERENCE on bird flu what so ever.

 

[steveR]

oh, and MP's to be drawn from people who have worked in a tax paying job for 10 years minimum.

Oh yes indeed, and not just as an "adviser" In Central Office...

 

[wanton dwarf]

I think the opposite

I also am on record many times on here; halve the number of MPs or more, double their salary, prohibit outside interests other than professional volunteering , give a Senator type executive office to each to support their work, cut the massive holidays back to 4 weeks like the rest of us, holiday to be taken for electioneering / conferences

Move HoC to Birmingham or ideally Holyrood to shoot the SNP Fox . De-heat Southern England, turn current HoC in to the museum it really is

Cross party committees and governance to get long term strategy done and if not then plenty of pundits and experts will express an opinion and get them sacked pronto

Agree with moving the function of government & civil service away from those who are currently doing it - the none sense being created in London is ridiculous.

Needs some kind of trial on how to select working people who would produce policy to best push the UK forward - current set of political activists are mental & should be banned from ever being an MP.

We need ordinary working people running businesses & families running the UK - those that show long term efficiency & skill should be advocated for the Civil Service. HoL ? Not sure as it used to be good but broken since the parties used it as a dumping ground for the chosen.

 

[Danllan]

scotland got oil and water but there almost bust

Ah yes, bu, Oregon hasn't been run by the SNP for the last seventeen years...

 

[Macsky]

Ah yes, bu, Oregon hasn't been run by the SNP for the last seventeen years...

Can’t be all bad then

 

[AJ123]

Is that process democracy? What’s the solution?

Hereditary peers. Feels wrong, but the Uk did do very well with them.