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Organic farming

orchard

Member
What's the best way to find small quantities of local organic grain (for livestock), manure etc please?
This land was certified organic, but whilst we maintain the practices, it's not worth paying for whilst we're not currently trading.

St. Clears.
 

7610 super q

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
What's the best way to find small quantities of local organic grain (for livestock), manure etc please?
This land was certified organic, but whilst we maintain the practices, it's not worth paying for whilst we're not currently trading.

St. Clears.
Soil association used to have their own website where folks could trade produce, don't know whether they still have ? Most producers would want to keep manure for their own use. There are exceptions however........ :ROFLMAO: Probably a bit far from you.........and they don't do small quantities.....:eek:

 

farmerm

Member
Location
Shropshire
What's the best way to find small quantities of local organic grain (for livestock), manure etc please?
This land was certified organic, but whilst we maintain the practices, it's not worth paying for whilst we're not currently trading.

St. Clears.
What is small? I am always confused by those looking for "small quantities" of anything, size is relative. To someone farming 5000 sheep 200 sheep is small, to someone farming 200 sheep 50 sheep is small and to someone farming 50 sheep 5 sheep is small but the quantities required to feed 5 sheep or 200 sheep are vastly different...
 

FARMERJERRY

Member
Location
devon
To label your product as organic, you must register with one of the UK organic control bodies in order to be certified. You can decide which control body to register with based on your location and business needs.

Which is exactly what I said-the decision as to whether something can be labelled as "organic" rests with a non Government organisation.
But if you are not registered with an organic certifying body you cannot sell as organic-it would be a trading standards issue and is based on law. the certifier issues the certificate based on inspection and verification.
the standards of all certifiers are based in law although there is some variation in interpretation between certifiers, they are all based on the same legally approved EC 834/2007 & EC 889/2008 as retained in GB and as applied in the EU if you are in Northern Ireland.

from the governments own website
'You must register with an organic control body if you’re going to produce, prepare, store, import or sell organic products.

You’re breaking the law if you call a food product ‘organic’ if it has not been inspected and certified by one of the 8 approved organic control bodies'
 

FARMERJERRY

Member
Location
devon
Thanks Sid.

I seem to think you're dairy, so need RT anyway?

Sorry, I don't quite understand... am I correct in thinking Soil association and OF&G have separate assurance schemes as well as the normal organic standards? So if, for example, you grow organic grain or organic beef, can you supply mills or meat processor without being RT assured? If so, is that just from the organic standards, or is there a separate add-on assurance element?

Maybe not your sector/knowledge.
Red Tractor assurance is not covered by organic certification-a separate inspection is needed. the organic one covers the organic standards only and not the additional requirements' of RT such as when did you worm your cat or when did you clean the telehandler bucket.
 

orchard

Member
Soil association used to have their own website where folks could trade produce, don't know whether they still have ? Most producers would want to keep manure for their own use. There are exceptions however........ :ROFLMAO: Probably a bit far from you.........and they don't do small quantities.....:eek:

Thanks.

I thought that it was a member only hook-up at the sa? I'll check later. Cheers!
 

orchard

Member
What is small? I am always confused by those looking for "small quantities" of anything, size is relative. To someone farming 5000 sheep 200 sheep is small, to someone farming 200 sheep 50 sheep is small and to someone farming 50 sheep 5 sheep is small but the quantities required to feed 5 sheep or 200 sheep are vastly different...
Haha, yeah, it's all relative. Depends what it is too, lol. Only a few hundred kilo's.
 

Derrick Hughes

Member
Location
Ceredigion
Soil association used to have their own website where folks could trade produce, don't know whether they still have ? Most producers would want to keep manure for their own use. There are exceptions however........ :ROFLMAO: Probably a bit far from you.........and they don't do small quantities.....:eek:

Over 100 ton of straw a week goes in there , how much blackgrass seed I wonder , live and let live , but got to say it's like the maddness of king 👑 George
 

orchard

Member
I believe Derrick Hughes Sells Organic Seed Hay and Haylage and is Organic Registered
Is that seed and hay, or seed hay?
To be frank, we have plenty of meadow, I just need to make a bailing press soon.
We have goats, ducks, and chickens at the moment, and it's how much we focus on duck meat Vs broilers. With the price of feed (at least buying 20/25kg sacks of organic growers) the chickens are pretty much an expensive luxury - although having them in tractor's does mean we're simultaneously replenishing some nutrients back to the meadows.
 

Derrick Hughes

Member
Location
Ceredigion
Is that seed and hay, or seed hay?
To be frank, we have plenty of meadow, I just need to make a bailing press soon.
We have goats, ducks, and chickens at the moment, and it's how much we focus on duck meat Vs broilers. With the price of feed (at least buying 20/25kg sacks of organic growers) the chickens are pretty much an expensive luxury - although having them in tractor's does mean we're simultaneously replenishing some nutrients back to the meadows.
Seeds and Hay
 

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