Organic farming

[betweenthelines]

To label your product as organic, you must register with one of the UK organic control bodies in order to be certified. You can decide which control body to register with based on your location and business needs.

Which is exactly what I said-the decision as to whether something can be labelled as "organic" rests with a non Government organisation.

 

[orchard]

What's the best way to find small quantities of local organic grain (for livestock), manure etc please?
This land was certified organic, but whilst we maintain the practices, it's not worth paying for whilst we're not currently trading.

St. Clears.

 

[7610 super q]

What's the best way to find small quantities of local organic grain (for livestock), manure etc please?
This land was certified organic, but whilst we maintain the practices, it's not worth paying for whilst we're not currently trading.

St. Clears.

Soil association used to have their own website where folks could trade produce, don't know whether they still have ? Most producers would want to keep manure for their own use. There are exceptions however........ Probably a bit far from you.........and they don't do small quantities.....

Capestone Organic Farm

 

[farmerm]

What's the best way to find small quantities of local organic grain (for livestock), manure etc please?
This land was certified organic, but whilst we maintain the practices, it's not worth paying for whilst we're not currently trading.

St. Clears.

What is small? I am always confused by those looking for "small quantities" of anything, size is relative. To someone farming 5000 sheep 200 sheep is small, to someone farming 200 sheep 50 sheep is small and to someone farming 50 sheep 5 sheep is small but the quantities required to feed 5 sheep or 200 sheep are vastly different...

 

[FARMERJERRY]

To label your product as organic, you must register with one of the UK organic control bodies in order to be certified. You can decide which control body to register with based on your location and business needs.

Which is exactly what I said-the decision as to whether something can be labelled as "organic" rests with a non Government organisation.

But if you are not registered with an organic certifying body you cannot sell as organic-it would be a trading standards issue and is based on law. the certifier issues the certificate based on inspection and verification.
the standards of all certifiers are based in law although there is some variation in interpretation between certifiers, they are all based on the same legally approved EC 834/2007 & EC 889/2008 as retained in GB and as applied in the EU if you are in Northern Ireland.

from the governments own website
'You must register with an organic control body if you’re going to produce, prepare, store, import or sell organic products.

You’re breaking the law if you call a food product ‘organic’ if it has not been inspected and certified by one of the 8 approved organic control bodies'

 

[FARMERJERRY]

Thanks Sid.

I seem to think you're dairy, so need RT anyway?

Sorry, I don't quite understand... am I correct in thinking Soil association and OF&G have separate assurance schemes as well as the normal organic standards? So if, for example, you grow organic grain or organic beef, can you supply mills or meat processor without being RT assured? If so, is that just from the organic standards, or is there a separate add-on assurance element?

Maybe not your sector/knowledge.

Red Tractor assurance is not covered by organic certification-a separate inspection is needed. the organic one covers the organic standards only and not the additional requirements' of RT such as when did you worm your cat or when did you clean the telehandler bucket.

 

[orchard]

Soil association used to have their own website where folks could trade produce, don't know whether they still have ? Most producers would want to keep manure for their own use. There are exceptions however........ Probably a bit far from you.........and they don't do small quantities.....

Capestone Organic Farm

Thanks.

I thought that it was a member only hook-up at the sa? I'll check later. Cheers!

 

[orchard]

What is small? I am always confused by those looking for "small quantities" of anything, size is relative. To someone farming 5000 sheep 200 sheep is small, to someone farming 200 sheep 50 sheep is small and to someone farming 50 sheep 5 sheep is small but the quantities required to feed 5 sheep or 200 sheep are vastly different...

Haha, yeah, it's all relative. Depends what it is too, lol. Only a few hundred kilo's.

 

[Grass And Grain]

Red Tractor assurance is not covered by organic certification-a separate inspection is needed. the organic one covers the organic standards only and not the additional requirements' of RT such as when did you worm your cat or when did you clean the telehandler bucket.

Thanks.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Soil association used to have their own website where folks could trade produce, don't know whether they still have ? Most producers would want to keep manure for their own use. There are exceptions however........ Probably a bit far from you.........and they don't do small quantities.....

Capestone Organic Farm

Over 100 ton of straw a week goes in there , how much blackgrass seed I wonder , live and let live , but got to say it's like the maddness of king George

 

[Ffermer Bach]

Haha, yeah, it's all relative. Depends what it is too, lol. Only a few hundred kilo's.

Bwlchygroes Farm Feeds sell organic concentrates in big bulk bags and 25kg sacks

 

[Derrick Hughes]

I believe Derrick Hughes Sells Organic Seed Hay and Haylage and is Organic Registered

 

[Ffermer Bach]

I believe Derrick Hughes Sells Organic Seed Hay and Haylage and is Organic Registered

matter of interest, how much is it likely to be in the winter?

 

[orchard]

Bwlchygroes Farm Feeds sell organic concentrates in big bulk bags and 25kg sacks

Cheers. Can only see one item (sacked) on their website. Do you know whether they have other stuff besides that please?

 

[Ffermer Bach]

Cheers. Can only see one item (sacked) on their website. Do you know whether they have other stuff besides that please?

they did a mole valley 18% universal nut I think, in 25kg bags

 

[orchard]

I believe Derrick Hughes Sells Organic Seed Hay and Haylage and is Organic Registered

Is that seed and hay, or seed hay?
To be frank, we have plenty of meadow, I just need to make a bailing press soon.
We have goats, ducks, and chickens at the moment, and it's how much we focus on duck meat Vs broilers. With the price of feed (at least buying 20/25kg sacks of organic growers) the chickens are pretty much an expensive luxury - although having them in tractor's does mean we're simultaneously replenishing some nutrients back to the meadows.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

matter of interest, how much is it likely to be in the winter?

Impossible to answer really , nice organic meadow hay going out at£130 ATM , can't see it getting cheaper

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Is that seed and hay, or seed hay?
To be frank, we have plenty of meadow, I just need to make a bailing press soon.
We have goats, ducks, and chickens at the moment, and it's how much we focus on duck meat Vs broilers. With the price of feed (at least buying 20/25kg sacks of organic growers) the chickens are pretty much an expensive luxury - although having them in tractor's does mean we're simultaneously replenishing some nutrients back to the meadows.

Seeds and Hay