After dark is definitely the best time here. Don't really see the difference spraying after midnight and between 5.30am and 8am, when it comes to "getting a life"......No-ones around to talk to anyway and the roads are empty (which are two of the reasons I like it!).
Osr chancer in then
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warksfarmer
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Remembered one of the reasons we dropped osr ..... slugs. The crop established so it had a reluctant 4kg/ha of pellets which at £1.12/kg isn't drastic. However it's now had to have another 4kg! So we are now at £6.44/ha for crop inputs total spend including the in house seed cost.
Where we had laid barley so lightly moved the soil with a power harrow the establishment is much better than where we've no tilled it. I suspect in a months time there will be patches with no crop due to it just not establishing very well. There's also a marked difference between how it looks after spring barley to wheat with the barley being much better even where it was no tilled.
There's also a small 0.5ha plot of broadcast but that's only just chitting so nothing to show presently.
Where we had laid barley so lightly moved the soil with a power harrow the establishment is much better than where we've no tilled it. I suspect in a months time there will be patches with no crop due to it just not establishing very well. There's also a marked difference between how it looks after spring barley to wheat with the barley being much better even where it was no tilled.
There's also a small 0.5ha plot of broadcast but that's only just chitting so nothing to show presently.
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interesting to see the size of other peoples OSR. I was fretting with single leaf crop, but youre a week behind that.
guessing youll need Centurion max f/b Kerb to get that crop to xmas.
guessing youll need Centurion max f/b Kerb to get that crop to xmas.
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I sprayed mine in the pitch dark with good results. I would think this cold damp weather would seriously inhibit them at the moment. Is anyone else getting a lot of late germination?
warksfarmer
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Only plans for Kerb at the moment.
Is that a 3% or 1.5% meta for that price ?
warksfarmer
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Think without checking it's 3%. The name is 'super ......' just can't remember at the minute. Blue and white bag 15kg bag though. I'll check tomorrow and let you know.
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thats a VERY good price for 3%
warksfarmer
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Yes 3%.
warksfarmer
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Now a total of 10kg/ha of pellets which is £11.20 in total. Looks like we've got 75% of a crop presently. Visions of a really late kerb application are diminishing rapidly so costs look set to rise from the planned minimal input approach as we'll probably need 20-30kg N to get it away properly.
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Agreed
How do you grow Clearfield though, seed is extortionate. I expect some are farm saving it and mixing it with new to up rates.
I'm not growing clearfield as you can't farm save it
Much as I like the tech and it's done well for us I can't afford to gamble on £70 plus per ha of seed - OSR is just too risky to establish these days
warksfarmer
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With R today and we said exactly the same thing. Anybody buying seed at £70/ha is bonkers as your then committed to full blown spend to keep the stuff alive.
I know somebody who made 5 machinery passes to establish and since then 4 passes with the sprayer. Probably spend £150/ha so far.
Sounds like we had a very similar conversation !
Happy with ours now - looking good and have a crop on every acre with really very little spent so far and despite redrilling 20% of it in the end
SilliamWhale
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I did an experiment this year because I've had quite a few issues establishing brassicas after barley and I think I've demonstrated something to myself once and for all this year. I used an opico varidisc after barley and no tilled some. The no tilled has not worked and the varidisc has.
There are definitely issues with barley stubble/ straw toxicity and brassicas. No doubt about it. Nothing to do with slugs or roundup in this case (there are issues with roundup in the spring for me) but its pure and simple brassicas and an ultra low disturbance drill into barley straw when in a wet time does not work. You can see the rape even germinating and dying off. I've had it with forage rape too.
So as a no till nut sadly for growing rape after barley I need to either v shallow cultivate or use a tine drill. At the moment I don't want to run two drills so I will use a cheap shallow varidisc for now. Stubble turnips into grass may be a different matter but barley and rape and rain won't go -too risky alas.
Its not an issue of cost for me as its negligible but I've learnt the hard way no till wheat, barley, grass, oats, beans etc. no bother. Rape into wheat or grass may even be ok but not into barley unfortunately
There are definitely issues with barley stubble/ straw toxicity and brassicas. No doubt about it. Nothing to do with slugs or roundup in this case (there are issues with roundup in the spring for me) but its pure and simple brassicas and an ultra low disturbance drill into barley straw when in a wet time does not work. You can see the rape even germinating and dying off. I've had it with forage rape too.
So as a no till nut sadly for growing rape after barley I need to either v shallow cultivate or use a tine drill. At the moment I don't want to run two drills so I will use a cheap shallow varidisc for now. Stubble turnips into grass may be a different matter but barley and rape and rain won't go -too risky alas.
Its not an issue of cost for me as its negligible but I've learnt the hard way no till wheat, barley, grass, oats, beans etc. no bother. Rape into wheat or grass may even be ok but not into barley unfortunately
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I have had less problems with notill after barley than after wheat less slug as it is usually a wider rotation
Philip Hedeng
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We've now no-tilled our OSR two years in a row under very different conditions and all I can say is it's not a viable way here. Some sort of soil loosening beneath the seed is required or else the plants will exhaust themselves trying to get the tap root down. Often the growth point will be pushed up above ground. All the consolidation required after drilling to keep the slugs away from seedlings doesn't really help either. I'm thinking about building a tool bar with tines to place in front to not having to buy a second drill. Perhaps all that is needed is a set of tines like the Amazone Cayena ones and place in front of every second or third disc coulter.
I've done the same go home early as put kids to bed spend couple hours in front of telly when wife goes to bed I go spraying same at lambing and calving time