OSR this year ?

[Salopian_Will]

Drilled 20th July. Bit patchy in places.

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Are you buying some sheep?

 

[4course]

looks like we are in for a warm dry week if the forecast is proved correct ,this will be good for us taking a grass cut but what if any effect will it likely have on the flea beetles in osr that is emerging ? im wondering wether to continue with a spray recommendation or hang fire

 

[Flat 10]

looks like we are in for a warm dry week if the forecast is proved correct ,this will be good for us taking a grass cut but what if any effect will it likely have on the flea beetles in osr that is emerging ? im wondering wether to continue with a spray recommendation or hang fire

Make them worse ime.

 

[DrWazzock]

Since I was a lad flea beetles were always worse in dry spells. Derris dust was the go to solution in the garden but even then with slow growth in a dry spell which favoured the beetles it was touch and go. It’s just one of those years … again.

 

[4course]

on the basis that prevention is better than a cure having just rung our agronomist and having had a response from the sages on here its going on, ho ho along with a bag of n shortly

 

[4course]

Since I was a lad flea beetles were always worse in dry spells. Derris dust was the go to solution in the garden but even then with slow growth in a dry spell which favoured the beetles it was touch and go. It’s just one of those years … again.

since I was a lad never seen the blighters till I started drawing my state pension !!

 

[Clive]

osr was looking good Friday, like full row

………re drilling 80ac today the rest is ok but certainly under significant CSFB pressure

thankfully just 10kgs of fss and a bit of fuel lost, its early enough to give it another role of the dIce

 

[Flat 10]

on the basis that prevention is better than a cure having just rung our agronomist and having had a response from the sages on here its going on, ho ho along with a bag of n shortly

Sadly the N needs rain as much as the osr

 

[Renaultman]

Started spraying, crops are going backwards, where's the bloody forecast rain for the weekend gone

 

[ZXR17]

Out of interest how have you all established your Osr. I think Clive, you use an Avatar.
Mine has all been established using a shallow pass with a cultipress or express followed by drilling with a Sabre tine.
These have all established pretty well and are at 2 and 3 leaf stage.
On the same day I had one field direct drilled with an Avatar and I am pretty disappointed with it. Some is fine but a lot is probably a re drill. In the the same field I drilled 24m direct with my Sabre Tine and this has come much better and the plants are more advanced than the Avatar drilled area.
Slug pressure is quite high and loads of snails coming onto the headlands.

 

[Clive]

Out of interest how have you all established your Osr. I think Clive, you use an Avatar.
Mine has all been established using a shallow pass with a cultipress or express followed by drilling with a Sabre tine.
These have all established pretty well and are at 2 and 3 leaf stage.
On the same day I had one field direct drilled with an Avatar and I am pretty disappointed with it. Some is fine but a lot is probably a re drill. In the the same field I drilled 24m direct with my Sabre Tine and this has come much better and the plants are more advanced than the Avatar drilled area.
Slug pressure is quite high and loads of snails coming onto the headlands.

avatar established - most fields ok but some literally gone since friday

it’s nothing more than luck really, i’ve seen similar using carrier biodrill and horsch tine drills here

our biggest issues is moisture - it’s been too dry here for any rapid growth since drilling on the 10th

just a lottery, so i keep the stakes low with fss and cheap establishment cost

 

[DrWazzock]

It’s the worst possible weather it could be for getting OSR growing. Not just being a miserable barsteward. Stating a fact.
If mine fails completely I won’t be redrilling just to repeat. It’ll go back in with winter barley. Reckon it’ll stand the take all pressure.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Out of interest how have you all established your Osr. I think Clive, you use an Avatar.
Mine has all been established using a shallow pass with a cultipress or express followed by drilling with a Sabre tine.
These have all established pretty well and are at 2 and 3 leaf stage.
On the same day I had one field direct drilled with an Avatar and I am pretty disappointed with it. Some is fine but a lot is probably a re drill. In the the same field I drilled 24m direct with my Sabre Tine and this has come much better and the plants are more advanced than the Avatar drilled area.
Slug pressure is quite high and loads of snails coming onto the headlands.

All I can say is I can sometimes have trouble with 750 drilled OSR and a lot of it is either barley toxins or minute slugs chomping up the row.

This year I've used a guttler supermaxx for some just to get rid of the toxins and I've no tilled some after wheat.

 

[snarling bee]

osr was looking good Friday, like full row

………re drilling 80ac today the rest is ok but certainly under significant CSFB pressure

thankfully just 10kgs of fss and a bit of fuel lost, its early enough to give it another role of the dIce

Is your labour free?
Do your tractors not need service or repair? My servicing costs can be £3-4 hr using main stealer.
Tyres?
Drill wearing parts?
Etc etc
Would you do my drilling for me for just the fuel cost?

 

[Clive]

Is your labour free?
Do your tractors not need service or repair? My servicing costs can be £3-4 hr using main stealer.
Tyres?
Drill wearing parts?
Etc etc
Would you do my drilling for me for just the fuel cost?

labour is on a salary so being paid today anyway - no extra cost there

tractor fixed cost covered so no extra cost there but correct - extra servicing and fuel / wear metal will be incurred, circa 3 or 4 hours worth

fuel is 3-4l/ ha
metal is almost so small cost i can’t work it out, drill does over 20k acres on a set of discs that cost <£50 each
it’s 4 hrs work max to do 80ac

so yes there is cost but it’s VERY low vs deep cultivation and new hybrid seed etc - low enough to role the dice again on this lottery crop

i will do your drilling for free yes ………. if like the crop we are re drilling today i get to keep and sell the output ?

 

[charlie81]

Out of interest how have you all established your Osr. I think Clive, you use an Avatar.
Mine has all been established using a shallow pass with a cultipress or express followed by drilling with a Sabre tine.
These have all established pretty well and are at 2 and 3 leaf stage.
On the same day I had one field direct drilled with an Avatar and I am pretty disappointed with it. Some is fine but a lot is probably a re drill. In the the same field I drilled 24m direct with my Sabre Tine and this has come much better and the plants are more advanced than the Avatar drilled area.
Slug pressure is quite high and loads of snails coming onto the headlands.

All my zero tilled (with Sky drill) osr has failed, only cultivated area has survived. Can only assume high slug pressure due to wet summer, with cultivations having the affect of reducing numbers? Still can't find many slugs though, and are very rarely a problem here. Usually the opposite, zero tilled stuff getting away best but we have been used to a run of super dry summers where moisture retention has been key. Just finishing re-drilling here, all with a pass with a carrier before hand and slug pellets down the spout. Fortunately plenty of farmed saved seed. Quite a few csfb landing on the windscreen so that is the next concern...

 

[Clive]

All my zero tilled (with Sky drill) osr has failed, only cultivated area has survived. Can only assume high slug pressure due to wet summer, with cultivations having the affect of reducing numbers? Still can't find many slugs though, and are very rarely a problem here. Usually the opposite, zero tilled stuff getting away best but we have been used to a run of super dry summers where moisture retention has been key. Just finishing re-drilling here, all with a pass with a carrier before hand and slug pellets down the spout. Fortunately plenty of farmed saved seed. Quite a few csfb landing on the windscreen so that is the next concern...

slugs not the issue here, very much down to csfb and lack of moisture meaning plants just haven’t grown away quickly from the drilling date

 

[Wigeon]

labour is on a salary so being paid today anyway - no extra cost there

tractor fixed cost covered so no extra cost there but correct - extra servicing and fuel / wear metal will be incurred, circa 3 or 4 hours worth

fuel is 3-4l/ ha
metal is almost so small cost i can’t work it out, drill does over 20k acres on a set of discs that cost <£50 each
it’s 4 hrs work max to do 80ac

so yes there is cost but it’s VERY low vs deep cultivation and new hybrid seed etc - low enough to role the dice again on this lottery crop

i will do your drilling for free yes ………. if like the crop we are re drilling today i get to keep and sell the output ?

Oh how I would love to be able to drill 20k acres without changing metal.

 

[chaffcutter]

Christ that’s horrendous!

 

[Zippy768]

looks like we are in for a warm dry week if the forecast is proved correct ,this will be good for us taking a grass cut but what if any effect will it likely have on the flea beetles in osr that is emerging ? im wondering wether to continue with a spray recommendation or hang fire

Haven't drilled ours yet. Agronomist reckons best leaving it at moment, just to get this hot spell gone before it's emerged. Only issue is moisture will start to disappear with next weeks rain gone off the forecast.
Drilled into absolute dust last year, no moisture at all. Grew somehow