Outpourings from Ben Goldsmith recently

egbert

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Livestock Farmer
Don't persecute moles


Vilifies all pig farmers


Wild boar should not be culled


Lots of WWF, CIWF and Packham re-tweets

Sheep dip poisons water supplies (more anti sheep propaganda) also lots of anti hill sheep farming retweets

he really is a horrible ignorant interfering entitled rich tw4t.
 

Polly Culture

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Mixed Farmer
Given the high interest in deer stalking it is simply illogical that herds get to that volume. That's prime meat running across the road, better in our bellies than releasing wolves into heavy populated lowlands.

Part of the issue is that a fair few people in the shooting industry are out for profit from selling guided stalks, and trophy animals, and they tie down huge swathes of land without ever actually committing to a proper management plan. They often pay the landowner more, but I doubt it makes up for the extra damage of a poorly managed deer population.
I foresee government paying a bounty on deer before too long. Because unless the population comes under some kind of control, lynx will be here without anyone realising, followed by wolves.
 

Tom_o_m

Member
I foresee government paying a bounty on deer before too long. Because unless the population comes under some kind of control, lynx will be here without anyone realising, followed by wolves.
It's baffling though, there are more than enough safe, responsible stalkers to control the numbers and venison is healthy, delicious and relatively affordable. How does it get to this???
 

melted welly

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Arable Farmer
Location
DD9.
I foresee government paying a bounty on deer before too long. Because unless the population comes under some kind of control, lynx will be here without anyone realising, followed by wolves.
I’d agree on the govt putting bounty on deer, there’s an opportunity to approach the issue with a carrot rather than stick. Govt could subsidies a venison supply chain for stalking through small abattoirs to promoting it as a healthy, cheap protein source via local authorities such as prisons, nhs and schools. 👌

Using lynx and wolves is not a good idea.
 

melted welly

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Arable Farmer
Location
DD9.
It's baffling though, there are more than enough safe, responsible stalkers to control the numbers and venison is healthy, delicious and relatively affordable. How does it get to this???
In Scotland anyway, there’s more than a bit of politics at play. Scotgov have a consultation open on deer culling and the opening page is headed up by the statement “Scotland is the most nature depleted country in the world.” Tells you all you need to know about the political agenda behind the scenes.
 

Humble Village Farmer

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Location
Essex
It's baffling though, there are more than enough safe, responsible stalkers to control the numbers and venison is healthy, delicious and relatively affordable. How does it get to this???
There's no money spent on rearing the deer so less incentive to get some back. Although I was at a talk recently and the speaker was advocating some kind of assurance scheme which put me off completely.

Should be fed to prisoners and school kids, given that it's virtually free.

Sorry @melted welly , you beat me to it.
 

Humble Village Farmer

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BASE UK Member
Location
Essex
In Scotland anyway, there’s more than a bit of politics at play. Scotgov have a consultation open on deer culling and the opening page is headed up by the statement “Scotland is the most nature depleted country in the world.” Tells you all you need to know about the political agenda behind the scenes.
Although the deer population is one of the main causes of habitat depletion ironically, certainly in the East of England.
 
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Given the high interest in deer stalking it is simply illogical that herds get to that volume. That's prime meat running across the road, better in our bellies than releasing wolves into heavy populated lowlands.

Part of the issue is that a fair few people in the shooting industry are out for profit from selling guided stalks, and trophy animals, and they tie down huge swathes of land without ever actually committing to a proper management plan. They often pay the landowner more, but I doubt it makes up for the extra damage of a poorly managed deer population.
Culling round here cannot keep up even with night licences
Deer learn where stalkers go and also can spot a stalker at 400 yards yet a dog walker can get within 20 yards the lead fallow doe deer has learned from losing its mates over the years herds of 200 does plus are hard to control and produce 200 or more young each year
 
I foresee government paying a bounty on deer before too long. Because unless the population comes under some kind of control, lynx will be here without anyone realising, followed by wolves.

Various countries HAVE legions of wolves and lynx and deer. These same places often have serious (as in borderline out of control) populations of feral pigs, deer or other species. The idea that nature is going to magically 'regulate itself' when you have areas containing thousands of acres of crops, livestock and absolutely no limit in food or water supplies is laughable. All that will result is shed loads of incidents where predators come into conflict with man and the rise of nasty diseases in wildlife which will then possibly spread to our livestock, our pets or even possibly us ourselves.

History is littered of examples where well-meaning humans try to fudge with nature and something goes awfully awry as a result.

Are you going to volunteer to manually unblock all the drainage channels that these beavers are going to block? They are a big problem in North America and require difficult and expensive labour to remedy the damage caused to human infrastructure that beavers cause. How can you assume that animals that haven't existed in Britain for decades are automatically going to be AOK if introduced? The Britain they lived in originally no longer exists- it is covered in housing, motorways, drainage channels. Fields, parks, roads, streets. I do wish you environmental types would fudging listen to people because you do nothing for the cause of environmentalism and actually damage it by eroding it's importance in the minds of the public.
 
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Humble Village Farmer

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BASE UK Member
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Essex
History is littered of examples where well-meaning humans try to fudge with nature and something goes awfully awry as a result.
To be fair, most man made environmental problems have been from introducing alien species like grey squirrels, muntjac here and cane toad in Australia to name a few. Removing a species usually degrades an ecosystem.
 

oil barron

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Location
Aberdeenshire
It’s all about money. His investment trust is way underwater and his long play is buying up sheep farms and then selling carbon and nutrient sequestering to business. He’s just trying to drive the price of farms down and influence government policy so he can “stack” government payments on top of the sequestering he sells. It’s no different to @Clive and his ELMS play with Janet and carbon sequestering sales.

Watch from 27:30.
 

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