My cattle drink rainwater that's on its way to the sea.
Panorama
- Thread starter Adeptandy
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Devil's advocate
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- Posh side of Barnsley
Providing of course the cow has not consumed soya or maize even.
Local alternatives to soya and palm meal will help save rainforests | Sustainable Food Trust
UK livestock farmers could use more local alternatives to soya meal and palm kernel meal without reducing productivity.sustainablefoodtrust.org
I think the most sustainable way to drink milk, is to drink UK pasture fed milk, rather than Soya milk.
I'm on your side, but we can't just make stuff up.
Simple truth is too many people in the world, long term we are in big trouble.
I understand that the covert filming took place over 4 months
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The FAO, a department of the UN, are in favour of animal production.
There's lies, damn lies and statistics - what are you reading? The FAO suggest that an often cited fact, from an early study, is that it takes 20kg of grain to produce 1 kg of beef. The fact is it is about 3kg, so be careful what you read and who is writing it.
Philrenishaw
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The answer to this issue isnt people going vegan. The likes of almond /soy are terrible for the enviroment in different ways to cows (ie methane)
The answer is well looked after animals who do not suffer and have a good life.
The issue is cows are now bred to be pure milk machines which can not be healthy
Before i moved to mid wales i grew up in cumbria near Ulverston/broughton and we were served by the local farm selling and delivering unpasturised milk. A small well cared for herd
We are paying the costs for mass produced food.
We keep chickens and they live a good life. If they get ill they are put out of their suffering. No ifs no buts.
If you cant run a farm and not treat animals with care and respect you should not be a farmer.
The answer is well looked after animals who do not suffer and have a good life.
The issue is cows are now bred to be pure milk machines which can not be healthy
Before i moved to mid wales i grew up in cumbria near Ulverston/broughton and we were served by the local farm selling and delivering unpasturised milk. A small well cared for herd
We are paying the costs for mass produced food.
We keep chickens and they live a good life. If they get ill they are put out of their suffering. No ifs no buts.
If you cant run a farm and not treat animals with care and respect you should not be a farmer.
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Funnily enough I grew up at Greenodd nr Ulverston, in those days the local farms were small mixed stock farms , but plenty of dairy only unit’s around
Different times , different attitudes
Philrenishaw
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So just round corner in kirkby in furness.
Very much so Am still scared of cows from then! If i see a field of cows i always walk through another field if possible( yes a bit naughty!) Will never forget getting chased by farmer tuckers jersey bull over a gate whilst blackberry picking, it used to charge stone walls quite often!
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- South Pennines ol14
My brother ran the length of a field on top of a drystone wall when the dairy herd appeared whilst we were out picking field mushrooms
I can still see my old man in tears of laughter
Spudley
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- Pembrokeshire
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- Shropshire
It went online in 2020 but it did go properly ahead last year - we had record (for us!) numbers as we were the only farm in the county and had people from out of the county visiting.
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- Carmarthenshire, West Wales
that is why there is the worldwide movement of regenerative agriculture, if you are interested to know more, come to Groundswell in the summer, two days of seminars about looking after soil and other talks (fascinating talks and safari looking at dung beetles last year).
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I do think it’s funny that the vegans have the “convince me I’m wrong” attitude.
No, you are in the minority, you make up less than 0.75% of the population of the UK. It’s your job to convince us you are right, not the other way around
No, you are in the minority, you make up less than 0.75% of the population of the UK. It’s your job to convince us you are right, not the other way around
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- Carmarthenshire, West Wales
How much maize is grown for silage for dairy cattle? And how much for anaerobic digesters?
Devil's advocate
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- Posh side of Barnsley
Lots grown for cows, certainly not an enviromentally friendly crop neither is AD anywhere near as good as it is made out to be.
Red clover or lucurne now you are talking, but not much grown for cows these days. Soya cheaper. The recent hyper inflation may change the equation.
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- Carmarthenshire, West Wales
I have grown a red clover ley, however, being organic, I have found that there is such a seed bank of weeds in my soil, that I don't think I will re seed again, as it is such a problem if all the docks, thistles and rushes get a toe hold in. But, never say never, as rotational grazing, so I am hopeful that smaller paddocks, higher densities and longer rest periods may prove a system to control weeds.
not all vegans are like that ,just as with farmers,there's all different types
Good level headed response,
Better than some on here I'm sad to say
Dairy farmers slam BBC for 'sensationalist' Panorama show
Dairy farmers have criticised the BBC for last night's 'sensationalist' Panorama programme which questioned cow and calf welfare in the UK.www.farminguk.com
wishy washy and pointless - takes no responsibility and promises no action
pointless / predictable waste of time
classic ag industry style PR response that has been proven to be ineffective for decades now
wanton dwarf
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Personally I don't understand how anyone can film and not report animal suffering to the authorities there and then.
IF this was country wide there might be a case, maybe.
But there isn't. So for those filming it was more important to hijack UK farming than report animal abuse.
That's some real gutter journalism - in fact I would say it's inhumane and just as bad as those who were perpetrating.
IF this was country wide there might be a case, maybe.
But there isn't. So for those filming it was more important to hijack UK farming than report animal abuse.
That's some real gutter journalism - in fact I would say it's inhumane and just as bad as those who were perpetrating.
glasshouse
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Milk is cheaper than dirt
That has a cost
That has a cost